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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5062436" data-attributes="member: 71571">No, my point was that under your system, past heroic, there's no difference between a Str/Wis cleric, a Str/Cha cleric, or a Str/Con cleric.&nbsp; Because part of the balance point is also the increase of that second attribute.My point was that a MC Cha/Wis Paladin Int/Dex Wizard is actually just a Cha/Int character.&nbsp; And under your system, you're effectively removing the /foo parts from every character for no benefit, meaning that the aim of making a Cha/Wis/Int/Dex Palizard more in line with a Str/Wis Cleric Ranger is somewhat misleading... you STILL end up with a Cha/Int Palizard, and your 'Str/Wis' clericranger is actually JUST a Str Cleric ranger.So you're systematically tossing out something for -everyone else- just to make something that can't use that thing 'equal' to other things.&nbsp; The real solution, is just to make a Cha/Int Palizard and concentrate on powers that don't rely on secondary attributes.Well, under the current system, they increase Strength and Wisdom, and they take a little bit of Charisma.&nbsp; Exactly what they'd do in your system.&nbsp; In fact, a lot of Clerics do exactly that anyways.After all, Charisma's not going up in your system (neither is anything else) so it isn't at all like this Cleric is gaining anything in Charisma by abandoning ability increases.&nbsp; And the Strength cleric is likely increasing Wisdom as his secondary anyways.So... his Wisdom increases at the same rate as his Strength does, as it is now... What is the gain here for this character, exactly?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5062436, member: 71571"] No, my point was that under your system, past heroic, there's no difference between a Str/Wis cleric, a Str/Cha cleric, or a Str/Con cleric. Because part of the balance point is also the increase of that second attribute. My point was that a MC Cha/Wis Paladin Int/Dex Wizard is actually just a Cha/Int character. And under your system, you're effectively removing the /foo parts from every character for no benefit, meaning that the aim of making a Cha/Wis/Int/Dex Palizard more in line with a Str/Wis Cleric Ranger is somewhat misleading... you STILL end up with a Cha/Int Palizard, and your 'Str/Wis' clericranger is actually JUST a Str Cleric ranger. So you're systematically tossing out something for -everyone else- just to make something that can't use that thing 'equal' to other things. The real solution, is just to make a Cha/Int Palizard and concentrate on powers that don't rely on secondary attributes. Well, under the current system, they increase Strength and Wisdom, and they take a little bit of Charisma. Exactly what they'd do in your system. In fact, a lot of Clerics do exactly that anyways. After all, Charisma's not going up in your system (neither is anything else) so it isn't at all like this Cleric is gaining anything in Charisma by abandoning ability increases. And the Strength cleric is likely increasing Wisdom as his secondary anyways. So... his Wisdom increases at the same rate as his Strength does, as it is now... What is the gain here for this character, exactly? [/QUOTE]

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