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<blockquote data-quote="ValhallaGH" data-source="post: 5063970" data-attributes="member: 41187">Reducing the power of the enhancment bonus by removing it from the attack bonus formula will help with the enhancement vs. effect issue.&nbsp; Enhancements in 4E often dictate how the effects work (subtle weapons are just one example), but you've still started by removing the bonus from the attack calculation.Fixing the Grind issue is a multi-part problem.&nbsp; Part one, players need to hit with their big damage powers.&nbsp; Part two, PCs need to bring a lot of pain to their powers; this requires a certain level of system mastery.&nbsp; Part three, the PCs need to learn how to work together to maximize what they can do (or at least not get in each other's way).&nbsp; Part four, when a PC chooses to perform some stunt or effect based upon the environment, the DM needs to make it worthwhile; generally equivalent to an Encounter or Daily attack power (determination based upon availability of the option).There are other parts but I'm blanking on them, so I'll leave with that.Good luck.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ValhallaGH, post: 5063970, member: 41187"] Reducing the power of the enhancment bonus by removing it from the attack bonus formula will help with the enhancement vs. effect issue. Enhancements in 4E often dictate how the effects work (subtle weapons are just one example), but you've still started by removing the bonus from the attack calculation. Fixing the Grind issue is a multi-part problem. Part one, players need to hit with their big damage powers. Part two, PCs need to bring a lot of pain to their powers; this requires a certain level of system mastery. Part three, the PCs need to learn how to work together to maximize what they can do (or at least not get in each other's way). Part four, when a PC chooses to perform some stunt or effect based upon the environment, the DM needs to make it worthwhile; generally equivalent to an Encounter or Daily attack power (determination based upon availability of the option). There are other parts but I'm blanking on them, so I'll leave with that. Good luck. [/QUOTE]

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