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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 14199" data-attributes="member: 834">I just completed a big fight tonight involving dozens of particiapants.  Man, did the rogue suck!  No construct, no undead, no armor of fortification anywhere on the field and still he didn't make a single successful sneak attack! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> Frankly, the player wasn't the best tactician I've seen.  A smarter player would have obtained more occasion.  As things stand he had only two chance and missed both.The party was 7th-8th.  Halfway in the fight, the rogue player complained that the other PCs weren't helping him to set up flanking situations.  The basic consensus amongst the other players involved in melee was:Are you out of your mind?!  YOU come help US flank our opponents! The rogue had a Kir-lanan on his back and later a few low levels githyanki warriors.  He couldn't set up a flanking because he was separated from the others.  The cleric was involved in a 3-way melee with the godless kir-lanan, the Psychic warrior was trying to corner the enemy telepath before he could brainlock everyone and the barbarian was locked in a deadly showdown with the Githyanki captain while being unable to breath because of a telepathic attack!  No one was going to give ground and it was up to the rogue to leave his position, risk being flanked and get a chance at getting a few sneak of his own.But let's talk about sneak attack and the showdown between the fighter and the barbarian: On their first round of melee, the Githyanki captain slashed the barbarian for 41 points of damage while the raging half-orc answered with 39.  They were level 8 and 7 respectively.  You can see why the barbarian had better things to do than help the rogue set a flanking!The rogues (7th) could do 5D6+1 on a succesful sneak attack.   IF he was able to hit.  And should he fail to kill his target he could have been on the receiving end of 41 points of damage from a riled up githyanki.  Or whatever.BTW:  p.48 PHB:  The rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment or striking the limbs of a creature whose vitals are beyond reach.Vitals beyond reach.  Do you have any idea how many monsters just got much tougher to sneak attack.  At least an invisible rogue can still throw daggers at a giant's throat.  But against a colossal dragon and his blindsight...</blockquote>

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