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<blockquote data-quote="Numion" data-source="post: 16469" data-attributes="member: 124">Look, I can only tell how it's been in my game. These claims which you dub as ridiculous, really did happen in my game. And judging from other posts, they've happened in other peoples games too. Fighters always have improved initiative. Dex maybe about four points lower than a rogues. This rsults in a favor of +2 for the rogue. Hardly a guarantee he'll win init. We do use skills to enhance roleplaying. But in a game that has N utulity spells which can do what a rogue can, but much better, the rogue really doesn't 'dominate' RP situations. I do know about cross-class skills, but the other characters are also good at something. And if every other member of the party is good at something, it leaves little room for the rogue to 'dominate'.Wizards are pretty good in knowledge skills, allowing them to shine in non-combat situations.Consider all of the above points, and ask yourself is it really worth it to suck in combat for all that? In a D&amp;D game no it isn't.Also at higher levels the sneak attack damage is also hard to come by. A normal game is pretty long way from your mathematical theories and flanking diagrams.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Numion, post: 16469, member: 124"] Look, I can only tell how it's been in my game. These claims which you dub as ridiculous, really did happen in my game. And judging from other posts, they've happened in other peoples games too. Fighters always have improved initiative. Dex maybe about four points lower than a rogues. This rsults in a favor of +2 for the rogue. Hardly a guarantee he'll win init. We do use skills to enhance roleplaying. But in a game that has N utulity spells which can do what a rogue can, but much better, the rogue really doesn't 'dominate' RP situations. I do know about cross-class skills, but the other characters are also good at something. And if every other member of the party is good at something, it leaves little room for the rogue to 'dominate'. Wizards are pretty good in knowledge skills, allowing them to shine in non-combat situations. Consider all of the above points, and ask yourself is it really worth it to suck in combat for all that? In a D&D game no it isn't. Also at higher levels the sneak attack damage is also hard to come by. A normal game is pretty long way from your mathematical theories and flanking diagrams. [/QUOTE]

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