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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 4051114" data-attributes="member: 18">This is going to create a problem for my group because we don't use minis most of the time, but occasionally we set them up when things get extra-complicated. With 1/1/1 diagonal movement, suddenly they'll be able to move in completely different ways when the minis are down, it will not take them more than 30 seconds to spot this. So I can choose between always using minis, or maybe we just start using string-measuring for everything, or just not use minis ever, but those are all annoying options.If range on weapons is measured the same way, things will get even sillier, because again, we'll see people who are &quot;obviously further away&quot; being at the same &quot;range in squares&quot; as others.I think this will be a good change for DMs with players who aren't very math/visual-puzzle-solving oriented, and who wont be constantly annoyed by it, but, that's only one out of my five &quot;usual&quot; players (a tactically-minded programmer, a munchkin-ish lawyer, a tactically-minded lawyer, a RP-oriented but VERY BRIGHT doctor and a journalist who is the one who won't work out how to abuse it, nor see it as silly, indeed, he'll like it).Exactly, and what's ironic is, that fact is going to confuse the same people who LIKE the 1-1-1 movement, because they're the ones who tend to think in simpler, more real-world-ish terms, in my experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 4051114, member: 18"] This is going to create a problem for my group because we don't use minis most of the time, but occasionally we set them up when things get extra-complicated. With 1/1/1 diagonal movement, suddenly they'll be able to move in completely different ways when the minis are down, it will not take them more than 30 seconds to spot this. So I can choose between always using minis, or maybe we just start using string-measuring for everything, or just not use minis ever, but those are all annoying options. If range on weapons is measured the same way, things will get even sillier, because again, we'll see people who are "obviously further away" being at the same "range in squares" as others. I think this will be a good change for DMs with players who aren't very math/visual-puzzle-solving oriented, and who wont be constantly annoyed by it, but, that's only one out of my five "usual" players (a tactically-minded programmer, a munchkin-ish lawyer, a tactically-minded lawyer, a RP-oriented but VERY BRIGHT doctor and a journalist who is the one who won't work out how to abuse it, nor see it as silly, indeed, he'll like it). Exactly, and what's ironic is, that fact is going to confuse the same people who LIKE the 1-1-1 movement, because they're the ones who tend to think in simpler, more real-world-ish terms, in my experience. [/QUOTE]

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