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Message: <blockquote data-quote="deleteme123456" data-source="post: 4662739" data-attributes="member: 65832">Helps the most:Paladins (crazy MAD to begin with)TW Rangers (see Paladins)Tempest Fighters (can keep STR, WIS, DEX, and CON all reasonably high)StarlocksClasses with primary and secondary in the same defense (But overall this really just lets them get their other defenses up by +1 each, maybe that's not too powerful).Wand WizardsWIS clericsCON barbariansetc.Not helped much (get their third defense up, no real benefit to any class feature otherwise):Orb/Staff Wizards, unless they take a 2nd implement feat at ParagonArcher rangersRoguesI am concerned with things like the tempest fighter (ok it has problems anyway). Let's look at this. Important goals: Dex 17 by start of epic for heavy blade mastery (if allowing double sword, else maybe dex 19 for flail mastery). Dex 15 by start of paragon for chain mastery. Str 18 to start and keep going from there. Wis as high as possible for Kensai and/or Marked Scourge. Con as high as other stats allow.We'll take a warforged as the only widely-available PC race with +2 to STR and any of those other stats, and warforged are crazy good anyway. We know we need Dex 15 at 11, since that will get us to Dex 17 at 21. So backing up, we need Dex 13 to start, since it will go up by 2 before 11th. STR 18CON 16DEX 13INT 8WIS 14CHA 10Compare this to the guy with the same DEX goals, but who has to start with Dex 14 (and use the level 18 stat bump to push dex one more, but this is OK because there's an odd point floating around anyway).CON 15DEX 14Not a huge difference, but it is HP, surges, etc. How about the guy who wants Dex 19 at epic? If he's getting +1 to 4, then Dex 15 at Paragon only takes him to 17, so he can use the Level 14 bumps and start with Dex 14 instead. This works just like the above guy, CON 15 and DEX 14, and he's no worse off long-term because he has an extra odd point anyway. But if you want DEX 19 and only get +1 to 2, then you have to give up advancing WIS and/or CON or start much much higher. I'm not clear that's it's too powerful, but it definitely helps some classes a lot more than others.</blockquote>

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