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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6677589" data-attributes="member: 2525">It's all books, not gaming books, and it's a ranking that changes literally hourly as an average. Amazon is selling MORE books now than they were when 3.0e came out, not less (I covered that in another thread based on their public data from their quarterly reports, which are under FCC regulations for accuracy).  It does in fact show that D&D books are still going strong...VERY strong. Incredibly strong.  And that data is confirmed by Morrus' measurements of what games are being discussed on the internet, and of Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds data of what games are being played the most, and ICv2's data on retail sales, and Crawford and Mearls' comments on sales, and the New York Times bestseller list data, and pretty much every single objective set of data we have.  One might be inaccurate, but when you get a confluence of agreement of all the objective measures, it's an extremely good bet that you have a consensus that it's doing very well.  If you want to argue 5e might not be selling extremely well, you would need some objective data suggesting that - something more than mere speculation.  So far, I have not seen one single piece of objective data suggesting it's not selling well.  Have you?Amazon has become the largest retailer on the planet, at least based on market value (company a value of $247.6 billion, surpassing Wal-mart).  It is, in fact, the best metric for how well something is selling.  More so now than when 3.0 was out in fact.  I know you've expressed concerns about sales relative to Paizo's in-house sales, but I am not sure this information is really related to that.  Pathfinder can be selling extremely well also - that doesn't in any way mean 5e is not also selling extremely well.  They can both sell extremely well.  You don't need to be concerned that 5e sales being strong means Pathfinder sales are weaker, and there is no reason to be defensive of Pathfinder by trying to diminish the 5e sales.  I'd bet Pathfinder, in some ways, actually benefits from the influx of new players from 5e.</blockquote>

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