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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4754383" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Show me where they said that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They say there are up to 6 million players, and they have sold hundreds of thousands of books, in the same paragraph. HOW have you managed to honestly try and portray that as them lying, given they say both in the same paragraph of the same document, just to make absolutely sure that you can't mistake what they are saying?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, so far you have shown that they claim X players, and Y sales, and they do so simultaneously. That makes them honest, not a liar. Show me (not with your opinion, but with hard facts of quotes) where they say what you claim they say, and the proof they are lying about it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Show me where they say this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How are they lying? When has WOTC said 4e overall outsold 3e? And where is the article showing over one million copies of the 3e PHB sold in the first year? Back up your claim, if you are going to call people liars.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not until you uphold your burden of proving that is the case. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Show me where they say it was "devastating their bottom line".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Show me where they say they claim it was only pirated 1000 times, as opposed to that particular small sample of time and location was 1000. Then show me this "devastating" claim you keep making.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is if the sample size was for a short period of time (which I believe it was). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's what court is for, to prove. The complaint isn't the proof.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They will use generally accepted means in the industry to demonstrate to a reasonable person the reasonable likelyhood of an estimate of lost sales. Like all types of cases like that one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I think you posted a lot of claims that do not hold up under scrutiny, and that you exaggerated a lot. Prove me wrong. Post the links to the proof that backs up your claims. If you are going to call people liars, it's only right that you back up the allegation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 4754383, member: 2525"] Show me where they said that. They say there are up to 6 million players, and they have sold hundreds of thousands of books, in the same paragraph. HOW have you managed to honestly try and portray that as them lying, given they say both in the same paragraph of the same document, just to make absolutely sure that you can't mistake what they are saying? No, so far you have shown that they claim X players, and Y sales, and they do so simultaneously. That makes them honest, not a liar. Show me (not with your opinion, but with hard facts of quotes) where they say what you claim they say, and the proof they are lying about it. Show me where they say this. How are they lying? When has WOTC said 4e overall outsold 3e? And where is the article showing over one million copies of the 3e PHB sold in the first year? Back up your claim, if you are going to call people liars. Not until you uphold your burden of proving that is the case. Show me where they say it was "devastating their bottom line". Show me where they say they claim it was only pirated 1000 times, as opposed to that particular small sample of time and location was 1000. Then show me this "devastating" claim you keep making. It is if the sample size was for a short period of time (which I believe it was). That's what court is for, to prove. The complaint isn't the proof. They will use generally accepted means in the industry to demonstrate to a reasonable person the reasonable likelyhood of an estimate of lost sales. Like all types of cases like that one. And I think you posted a lot of claims that do not hold up under scrutiny, and that you exaggerated a lot. Prove me wrong. Post the links to the proof that backs up your claims. If you are going to call people liars, it's only right that you back up the allegation. [/QUOTE]
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