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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Legildur" data-source="post: 1181224" data-attributes="member: 1258">What's the matter Hyp?  Having a slow day in the land of the long white cloud and trying to stir the pot a little to relieve the boredom? ;-)PHB p114 under 'Range Increment' and similarly p134 under 'Range Penalty': PHB p147 under 'Measuring Distance': PHB p149 under 'Large, Huge, Gargantuan, and Colossal Creatures' talking about natural reach attacking creatures up to 2 squares away: The rules you referenced only apply to dtermining whether your target has cover from a ranged attack, not for measuring distance.So, a dagger thrower making a ranged attack along 2 diagonals is at range 15 feet and subject to a -2 range penalty.Only way to beat it (AOO and range penalty in most circumstances) in core rules is for the opponent to not be threatening the thrower, or take the Precise Shot and Far Shot feats and increase your range increment to 15ft (so you can throw 2 squares without penalty except where it involves 2 diagonals).edit: quotes looked untidy</blockquote>