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<blockquote data-quote="DDK" data-source="post: 668763" data-attributes="member: 6469"><p>I'd have to disagree with this. I think it's like any argument, there are fine lines that can be drawn anywhere within it and he's drawn them and pointed them out.</p><p></p><p>A lot of what he says COULD be possible. A lot of what he says has SOME validity. This is what makes him such a dangerous person. He's not THAT far fetched and uses enough coherent arguments that whatever outlandish things he says are all that much more believable.</p><p></p><p><em>This brings us to other unsavory aspects of the game. One pro-D&D psychologist wrote that "There is hardly a game in which the players do not indulge in murder, arson, torture, rape or highway robbery."1 In fact, the Dungeon Master's Guide gives the celebrated Adolph Hitler as an example of a real historical person that exhibited D&D charisma! The values contained in the game are, at the very best, "might makes right."</em></p><p></p><p>He's right! Have you played Baldur's Gate? Even I was shocked at just how murderous and savage the PC's were EXPECTED to be. And let's face it, many games have this aspect to it.</p><p></p><p>I can't remember the Hitler reference but I've seen it before in other RPG titles. And given the task of finding an example of a person with exceptional charisma, I'd pick Hitler too!</p><p></p><p>Writings such as this are an artform. Give the man credit for credit is due. He has, IMO, given the article a lot of thought and has written something that is incredibly manipulative and thought-provoking.</p><p></p><p>Throughout history, people have used various methods of denigrating their foes. One way is to actually praise them, especially after they've been beaten, for to do so is to make yourself all the grander.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I think Mr. Chick is beaten. And I don't mind giving him the credit for making a cognizent argument, since it only makes D&D all that much better for having proven him wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's what has always bugged me about fanatical religious types. I mean, I'm not religious, I'm a death-bed agnostic, meaning I'll repent on my death-bed on the off-chance that God really does exist, but I respect your right to believe in what you want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon my right to believe what I want. But when someone goes around saying they KNOW what God is thinking and how one should act because what he says is the word of God... ack! I mean, how can any seriously religious person take someone like that seriously? That, in my mind, is the ultimate blasphemy! To say you know the mind of God... sheesh!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DDK, post: 668763, member: 6469"] I'd have to disagree with this. I think it's like any argument, there are fine lines that can be drawn anywhere within it and he's drawn them and pointed them out. A lot of what he says COULD be possible. A lot of what he says has SOME validity. This is what makes him such a dangerous person. He's not THAT far fetched and uses enough coherent arguments that whatever outlandish things he says are all that much more believable. [i]This brings us to other unsavory aspects of the game. One pro-D&D psychologist wrote that "There is hardly a game in which the players do not indulge in murder, arson, torture, rape or highway robbery."1 In fact, the Dungeon Master's Guide gives the celebrated Adolph Hitler as an example of a real historical person that exhibited D&D charisma! The values contained in the game are, at the very best, "might makes right."[/i] He's right! Have you played Baldur's Gate? Even I was shocked at just how murderous and savage the PC's were EXPECTED to be. And let's face it, many games have this aspect to it. I can't remember the Hitler reference but I've seen it before in other RPG titles. And given the task of finding an example of a person with exceptional charisma, I'd pick Hitler too! Writings such as this are an artform. Give the man credit for credit is due. He has, IMO, given the article a lot of thought and has written something that is incredibly manipulative and thought-provoking. Throughout history, people have used various methods of denigrating their foes. One way is to actually praise them, especially after they've been beaten, for to do so is to make yourself all the grander. Personally, I think Mr. Chick is beaten. And I don't mind giving him the credit for making a cognizent argument, since it only makes D&D all that much better for having proven him wrong. That's what has always bugged me about fanatical religious types. I mean, I'm not religious, I'm a death-bed agnostic, meaning I'll repent on my death-bed on the off-chance that God really does exist, but I respect your right to believe in what you want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon my right to believe what I want. But when someone goes around saying they KNOW what God is thinking and how one should act because what he says is the word of God... ack! I mean, how can any seriously religious person take someone like that seriously? That, in my mind, is the ultimate blasphemy! To say you know the mind of God... sheesh! [/QUOTE]
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