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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 769791" data-attributes="member: 7240">The argument that I put forward in another thread is that the European-style fantasy setting doesn't really have a monk class that resembles the D&D monk. I think this is probably a confusion over what I meant by "European" in flavour. I think I must have a narrower definition than normal. I'm not including in my definition of "European" anything outside of the continent of Europe; thus, I'm not including such places as Alexandria. Thus, I don't fully understand why people would dispute this point by citing asian examples, such as the assassins, athletes of God or thugee.I do take the point that one can still run a European-style campaign with an oriental-style order of monks easily added on and not lose the European flavour. Thus, I'm all for the addition of an asian-style class grafted onto European society -- creativity is what it's all about, after all, but I don't think this justifies the Monk's inclusion in the core rules.I'm interested in learning more about other indigenous European matrial arts, about which I know very little. From the savate web-site to which we were referred, I see that it is an 18th century art and thus not immediately compatible with the world of D&D.</blockquote>