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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 4823068" data-attributes="member: 386">They would know, because their characters know.  They have trained at certain moves and have become quite good at them.Here's why it's different:If I was DMing for you, and your Warlord make that action (against a hobgoblin elite or something), I would rule it like this:<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> slice off his armour, weapon, Str v AC, 1/2[W] and -2 AC until the target can repair his armour.Now if you said something like, "I come at him with a flurry of blows, none doing much damage, but each one tells me something about how he fights, hoping to pick up a weakness", I might resolve it like this for your Warlord who has Lead the Attack:<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> probing attack, weapon, Int or Str v AC, 1[W] + Str and you discover the target's weakness.  If you exploit the weakness, you (and all allies to whom you communicate the weakness) gain a 1 + Int mod bonus to attack rolls against the target.  Miss: +1 bonus to attack rolls.I'd also describe the weakness that you've found.  The bonus would last until the target didn't have the weakness any longer; this probably means level gain.  In order to do the full 3[W] you'd need to do something extraodinary, exploiting the fluff at the moment for a big smash.Now if a Fighter without Lead the Attack tried the exact same thing:<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> probing attack, weapon, Str v AC, 1[W] + Str and you discover the target's weakness.  If you exploit the weakness you gain a +2 bonus to attack rolls against the target, and you may increase the bonus from Aid actions by +2 if you communicate this weakness to your ally.Reason being the fighter doesn't know how to communicate as well as the Warlord who has trained in coordinating attacks.This puts a lot of load on the DM, though.</blockquote>

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