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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jürgen Hubert" data-source="post: 4445227" data-attributes="member: 7177">Why is the other thread an "edition war" thread? Just because the original poster (who wasn't me) started a poll asking people for their preferred edition?I know that internet polls are purely anecdotal. However, this poll probably represents a more accurate snapshot of the mood on ENWorld since it takes so little time to answer, while posting in this thread or others takes considerably more effort and thus the posts are much less likely to be representative.(And I really don't get the "trap" claim, either...)It could just as well be that 4E fans are less vocal because they are more content with the new edition, while those who don't like it are much more likely to speak up because they are dissatisfied. That's a rather old phenomenon - it's the exceptions which are more noticeable than the norm.I said that that poll was "more accurate" than individual posts, not "absolutely accurate". At the very least, it has a far greater number of responses, which tends to count for a lot in statistics.When I'm buying RPG supplements, I'm primarily interested in setting materials, and I follow multiple game lines - not just D&D. Thus, I play D&D only part of the time, and I have little interest in purchasing pure rules supplements unless they are particularly awesome.To my mind, an RPG system - any RPG system - should be able to stand on the merits of its core rule set alone, without the help of any supplements. I realize that other people see things differently, but that's my general approach.I think the 3.5 PHB had a similar page count and it had a much smaller font size - 10 pt. instead of 12 pt. or something like that. If they had used a smaller font size for the 4E PHB, they could have put more material into it. I realize that other people like the new font size, but I am not one of them.Wizards were plenty interesting with the 3.5 rules alone. I can't say the same thing for fighters.Well, give me some examples. What kinds of builds - using the 3.5 core books alone - would have resulted in a fighter who could, say, use four different combat maneuvers in a single, "typical" fight that each represented effective tactics?In 3.5, low-level NPCs and monsters represented no threat at all to high-level PCs. Any enemies that were actually capable of hitting such PCs also had a fairly large number of hit points which made it next to impossible of killing such foes with one hit. That 4E minions work differently changes the combat dynamics significantly. In 3.5, such foes were basically boring - no more than a kind of obstructive terrain that the PCs would have to deal X points of damage to get to their real enemies. Now minions are a danger in their own right and can no longer be ignored.Becoming a real threat to the PCs is a huge difference from "no threat at all".</blockquote>

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