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Message: <blockquote data-quote="georgegad" data-source="post: 4971777" data-attributes="member: 85840">Are we still talking about this? I thought we were over it days ago.EDIT> Oh, yucky. my post is huge, Just skip past it if your not really interested, i wont be offended.  Read the prediction bit by Voadam above a second time, its really good.I understand the site owners have a professional stance on the topic and i respect that.That being said i will continue and try to steer away from speaking about anything that might be illegal in the websites home location.  (It is my position that nothing i said is illegal in my homeland but i was well aware when i posted that it might be in usa)Fair enough.  I pretty much already know your position. It is almost certainly the same one held by the bulk of people who work in the entertainment industry.  It is not a stupid position, i held it myself a number of years ago but now that i have changed it is clear we can never go back.  The funny thing is that when you come to terms with the change it is not actually as terrible as you may fear it to be.  Instead of being authors for books everyone becomes authors for websites and advertisements. The people who wrote adventurers in the past will go on to write adventures for videogames WOW and the like. Its a new job climate, people dont keep to the same jobs forever anymore anyway we all change careers every few years.  I realise that is a cynical way of looking at it and probably not as comforting as i meant it but i dont believe it will be as bad as predicted.  After all the same fears were around back then and now we look back and laugh because photocopiers never destroyed the printing industry after all. Like y2k.  It may turn out to be all hot air and fear mongering like so many things are.    No, it wouldnt.  That never happens here and still i havent downloaded it, i think i even have the name/pass for the account of one of the players in my group, i could install it and it would update legitimately.  It is certainly not some type of fear that stops me.Answering this point rather than ravens as it is more relevant.I was actually suggesting that you download the document at your own expense, print it onto your own paper, bind it yourself and place it on your shelf. (But not sell it, as discussed towards the end)  If you do all that you will probably find it was cheaper to just buy the book, you would certainly get a better product if it is professionally done.  I believe that that the industry can run on that fact alone for many years to come  (untill i find a cheap light palmtop that is waterproof and can bounce off tile i will still need books in the loo)If i appear calous or uncaring it is only because i dont believe it will be as big a problem as sensationalist media make it out to be. Even you couldnt honestly believe that is going to happen for downloading.  The case here is against someone who made the original upload, as you know because you have stated it immediatly in the next post.  Tort or no, local law here specifically mentions moneys saved from not paying purchase price is not considered lost profit for calculating damage.  Nor do we believe in punitive damages so in reality even if an individual were to go through court the total amount of damages they are liable for is zero.  But before you get started saying that these are stupid laws, it is not all just a charity.   Here the situation above is not just a civil copyright violation, selling someone elses work here is criminally illegal.  If a person were making money selling WotC product the police will arrest the individual and he may do prison time.  While i defend my right to download i do believe Wotc are the only ones with right to profit financially from their products.  Raids are occasionally made against local markets and professional bootlegging is rare. That i believe is the real point of copyright.  TY.  This whole conversation is becoming tedious and the predictions topic is so much more exciting.  I really need a change in pace and there it was</blockquote>

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