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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Grumpy Celt" data-source="post: 828425" data-attributes="member: 1019">(Quickly hides huge collection of orc porn under bed)Sleazy? What in the world, are you talking about?The colorful (snarky) comments about berries and noses are all mine but then I am a mean spirited American git. Menzies himself is a former British navy submarine captain. He is generally “veddy British” in his writing and is quite respectful of nearly everyone, even those people who think space aliens drew the various maps and created the Bimini road.At his most emotional, he gets almost gushy when describing the lavish treasure ships. However, he spent his professional career on British ships and submarines - so the idea of being on a big Chinese ship, well fed and surrounded by geisha girls (the Chinese ships all included concubines and geisha girls to keep the ambassadors entertained) would understandably be enticing. He goes out of his way to state that while Columbus, Magellan, et. all were using the Chinese maps, they still accomplished great things. Nor does he depict the Chinese as without fault. He is quite adamant in support of his theorizes - even the weaker ones.While I was reading the book, I remembered you mentioning, back when we were in college, a carved stone discovered in Oklahoma or Kansas that depicted horses before the arrival of Europeans. At the time, some thought it was left by Vikings. Menzies mentions the same stones and asserts that the Chinese left them.</blockquote>

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