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<blockquote data-quote="Riastlin" data-source="post: 5503501" data-attributes="member: 94022">Thing is though, Improved Defenses is still going to result in a lot of characters getting hit almost all the time on certain defenses, and while it might by the odds be roughly even or slightly better (not knowing what riders are attached) it still seems better to focus on the Great or Superior feats.&nbsp;I realize the Superior feats have a somewhat high prereq, but I think its going to be pretty rare that you encounter a character that doesn't qualify for any of them (15 isn't that hard to come by after all), though I agree it would be equally rare to find a character that qualifies for all of them.&nbsp; My guess is that most characters could pretty easily qualify for two of them (though it might require a bit of planning).&nbsp; You add in the rider effects and I think you have definitely made a better case for the Superior feats.&nbsp; Keep in mind too, that certain characters won't even be all that bothered by certain riders from monster attacks.&nbsp; An egaged defender can often afford to be marked, or slowed, etc.&nbsp; A ranged attacker that doesn't have anyone in his grill won't mind being immobilized.&nbsp; The dwarf can handle the ongoing poison, etc.&nbsp; &nbsp;The riders are what make the seemingly less optimal choice of the Superior feat better because you get that bonus which is always on.&nbsp; Its the same reason why the fullblade is technically a superior choice to the executioner's axe.&nbsp; The axe does slightly more damage per round, but you'll get the riders from your powers more often with the fullblade.&nbsp;As I said though, I think the important thing to remember is that choosing defense now does make sense with the new monster damage.&nbsp; Maybe its improved defenses, maybe its toughness, etc.&nbsp; Before, I think it was a lot less likely that a player would choice defense over offense because frankly, the monsters just were not that scary.&nbsp; Now even the strikers have to be careful.&nbsp; Do I take Weapon Focus before Improved Defenses?&nbsp; I dunno, I think its at least a toss up now -- which in my opinion is a good thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Riastlin, post: 5503501, member: 94022"] Thing is though, Improved Defenses is still going to result in a lot of characters getting hit almost all the time on certain defenses, and while it might by the odds be roughly even or slightly better (not knowing what riders are attached) it still seems better to focus on the Great or Superior feats. I realize the Superior feats have a somewhat high prereq, but I think its going to be pretty rare that you encounter a character that doesn't qualify for any of them (15 isn't that hard to come by after all), though I agree it would be equally rare to find a character that qualifies for all of them. My guess is that most characters could pretty easily qualify for two of them (though it might require a bit of planning). You add in the rider effects and I think you have definitely made a better case for the Superior feats. Keep in mind too, that certain characters won't even be all that bothered by certain riders from monster attacks. An egaged defender can often afford to be marked, or slowed, etc. A ranged attacker that doesn't have anyone in his grill won't mind being immobilized. The dwarf can handle the ongoing poison, etc. The riders are what make the seemingly less optimal choice of the Superior feat better because you get that bonus which is always on. Its the same reason why the fullblade is technically a superior choice to the executioner's axe. The axe does slightly more damage per round, but you'll get the riders from your powers more often with the fullblade. As I said though, I think the important thing to remember is that choosing defense now does make sense with the new monster damage. Maybe its improved defenses, maybe its toughness, etc. Before, I think it was a lot less likely that a player would choice defense over offense because frankly, the monsters just were not that scary. Now even the strikers have to be careful. Do I take Weapon Focus before Improved Defenses? I dunno, I think its at least a toss up now -- which in my opinion is a good thing. [/QUOTE]

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