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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5503824" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>To be honest this isn't really anything to do with power creep and more that paragon/epic monsters have the teeth they have *always* needed to have. They were chronically underpowered from the start - especially solos - and have desperately needed the additional teeth. The fact really is that 4ish encounters in a day was always supposed to be normal. Mulching through EL + 4 encounters without taking a dent was not supposed to be normal. This was BEFORE any splat books - PCs at paragon/epic from the start vastly outclassed the poorly thought out damage scaling (and poor power design) of many paragon/epic monsters.</p><p></p><p>Now 4 encounters at EL=party level are challenging. 3 encounters and an EL+1 and EL+2 is an exciting, interesting and appropriate capstone encounter. When I was trying to challenge my epic level PCs I need an average <em>EL+4 or higher</em> encounter and really abuse every single monster power/ability I could. This was just to chip away at my PCs enough to maybe bloody the odd character here and there.</p><p></p><p>Now? I just use an EL+2 encounter and I don't need to ring every single HP of damage out of the monsters I use. It works far better and the game is now consistent across all tiers of play. Increasing monster HP would have been the worst idea I've ever heard of incidentally, because that would make combats - that were already boring one sided grind fests where the monsters were no threat - into even LONGER more boring one sided grind fests. Challenging encounters would be entirely based on stunning and dominating PCs for every turn possible.</p><p></p><p>Really, you think that would be more fun?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5503824, member: 78116"] To be honest this isn't really anything to do with power creep and more that paragon/epic monsters have the teeth they have *always* needed to have. They were chronically underpowered from the start - especially solos - and have desperately needed the additional teeth. The fact really is that 4ish encounters in a day was always supposed to be normal. Mulching through EL + 4 encounters without taking a dent was not supposed to be normal. This was BEFORE any splat books - PCs at paragon/epic from the start vastly outclassed the poorly thought out damage scaling (and poor power design) of many paragon/epic monsters. Now 4 encounters at EL=party level are challenging. 3 encounters and an EL+1 and EL+2 is an exciting, interesting and appropriate capstone encounter. When I was trying to challenge my epic level PCs I need an average [I]EL+4 or higher[/I] encounter and really abuse every single monster power/ability I could. This was just to chip away at my PCs enough to maybe bloody the odd character here and there. Now? I just use an EL+2 encounter and I don't need to ring every single HP of damage out of the monsters I use. It works far better and the game is now consistent across all tiers of play. Increasing monster HP would have been the worst idea I've ever heard of incidentally, because that would make combats - that were already boring one sided grind fests where the monsters were no threat - into even LONGER more boring one sided grind fests. Challenging encounters would be entirely based on stunning and dominating PCs for every turn possible. Really, you think that would be more fun? [/QUOTE]
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