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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5505250" data-attributes="member: 78116">This isn't true and if you think it is, make an encounter for the following PURE PHB party. Feats like wintertouched and lasting frost should be relatively mandatory for most of them, using the better PPs like Pit Fighter (which still counts for the fighters MBAs) and Daggermaster. Something like an Elven Ranger, Dragonborn Warlord, Dwarf Fighter, Halfling Rogue and Eladrin Wizard. A really classic archetype 4E party - but one of the most powerful. Now reset the errata and the Eladrin wizard is a bloodmage and your epic Warlord has figured out what Relentless Assault does. Did I mention the Elven Ranger is using Cascade of Blades?You'll soon find that party tears things to absolute pieces due to certain powers being utterly broken than anything that came after. In fact it is more true to say that power options since the original PHB have been playing catch up the entire time. The PHB has been slaughtered by errata and it has nothing to do with those powers being broken by later things. They were 100% bonkers right out of the box.Having actually played with an epic party that mostly only used PHB options, I can really affirm that this "Power creep ruined 4E" thing is not only wrong - it misses the point. The point is that 4E started with epic PCs grossly outmatching monsters. This didn't develop over time, it was inherently in built into the system.Daggermaster has not been inherently nerfed actually - though it no longer counts on MBAs this was more of a general change (Pitfighter got hit by this as well). Daggermaster was simply clarified that it wouldn't work with a sorcerer casting AoE powers to get the 18-20 crit range. Even in this case, the sorcerer was not imbalanced to say the least in any manner.</blockquote>

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