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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5506297" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>More options means more synergies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. If I have 1 way to kill you, you only have to defend against one thing. If I have 5 ways to kill you, you have to defend against 5 things and monsters don't have that luxury.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it means that he is more versatile. With the sword, he hits more often. With the hammer, he does more damage or knocks foes down.</p><p></p><p>Increased Versatility = Increased Power.</p><p></p><p>We must not be playing the same game. In our encounters, the players who have options are more capable than the 3E Fighter who just goes up and swings each round.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't say that the later books were showing a trend of power creep. I actually think (and have said multiple times now) that it isn't the power of the individual feat, item, power, or class feature. Those are reasonably well balanced. It's the synergy of multiple ones being added together, both at the PC level and the party level.</p><p></p><p>It's better to refer to it as synergy creep, not power creep.</p><p></p><p></p><p>WotC hasn't put out an errata since October. So, the mistakes in the most recent books are relatively unknown.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Arcane Power is 160 pages. PHB is 320 pages.</p><p></p><p>Arcane Power came out almost 2 years after PHB, but it still has almost 8 pages of errata. Why? Because although the designers learned a lot in those 2 years, they still have a lot of unanticipated synergy creep. 5% additional errata compared to the PHB's 7% additional errata.</p><p></p><p>That's still a significant amount.</p><p></p><p>Martial Power 3%. PHB 2 3%</p><p></p><p>Yes, the earliest releases have the highest percentage of errata. But, it's not because synergy creep doesn't exist. It's because the earliest releases have the most scrutiny by the gaming community and we are now at a saturation point where WotC is hesitant about putting out more errata.</p><p></p><p>You are basing your assumptions off a false premise. The premise that less errata means a product with less synergy creep.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you really think that a Pacifist Cleric is LESS capable of healing than the original Cleric?</p><p></p><p>Do you really think that more healing in a party makes the party weaker than before???</p><p></p><p>The synergy and hence group power increase of having stronger healing in a group is HUGE.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5506297, member: 2011"] More options means more synergies. No. If I have 1 way to kill you, you only have to defend against one thing. If I have 5 ways to kill you, you have to defend against 5 things and monsters don't have that luxury. No, it means that he is more versatile. With the sword, he hits more often. With the hammer, he does more damage or knocks foes down. Increased Versatility = Increased Power. We must not be playing the same game. In our encounters, the players who have options are more capable than the 3E Fighter who just goes up and swings each round. I didn't say that the later books were showing a trend of power creep. I actually think (and have said multiple times now) that it isn't the power of the individual feat, item, power, or class feature. Those are reasonably well balanced. It's the synergy of multiple ones being added together, both at the PC level and the party level. It's better to refer to it as synergy creep, not power creep. WotC hasn't put out an errata since October. So, the mistakes in the most recent books are relatively unknown. Arcane Power is 160 pages. PHB is 320 pages. Arcane Power came out almost 2 years after PHB, but it still has almost 8 pages of errata. Why? Because although the designers learned a lot in those 2 years, they still have a lot of unanticipated synergy creep. 5% additional errata compared to the PHB's 7% additional errata. That's still a significant amount. Martial Power 3%. PHB 2 3% Yes, the earliest releases have the highest percentage of errata. But, it's not because synergy creep doesn't exist. It's because the earliest releases have the most scrutiny by the gaming community and we are now at a saturation point where WotC is hesitant about putting out more errata. You are basing your assumptions off a false premise. The premise that less errata means a product with less synergy creep. Do you really think that a Pacifist Cleric is LESS capable of healing than the original Cleric? Do you really think that more healing in a party makes the party weaker than before??? The synergy and hence group power increase of having stronger healing in a group is HUGE. [/QUOTE]
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