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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 3846178" data-attributes="member: 54846">You don't call this putting PCs over a barrel?If they don't play your way, they get hit with a trap, or you move the map around so they don't find the way forward. Just because it doesn't happen a lot in your experience doesn't mean it isn't a problem that happens a lot. And while you kill her she's going to start shrieking her head off. I don't see how you can be completely blaize about walking into someone's house and spending twelve hours searching the premises without it breaking your suspension of disbelief, but defeating a dungeon in 15 minutes isn't okay.It isn't a problem for you. If you've never used Grappling rules, then hey, why fix grapple - you've never had a problem with it.   As I said about encounter traps up the thread, they are. From the impression I've got, D&D traps in 4e will be real huge deals - they're obvious, gaudy, and they are treated as monsters because they're there for the whole combat, rather than a speedbump. To use an example, a trap would be like a hallway that has pistons continually pumping down from the ceiling, always in motion, and you have to destroy them/move past them to flick the off switch.</blockquote>