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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Duncan Haldane" data-source="post: 788234" data-attributes="member: 514">Dark Eternal:Sounds to me like you played it well.  The party had heard of this threat for a long time.  You gave them the cues that the encounter would be tough - it just seems that they thought once they killed the Dragons that was the end of the adventure.Luck happens, but did they have their usual buffing spells up?  All those Mage Armors, Bull's Strengths and so on?  It sounds like they chose not to be prepared.I recently hit a party hard, and nearly had a TPK.  They were attacking a building.  The creatures in the building knew the party were coming (since they'd killed some guards, etc), and the party knew the creatures knew.I split the combat into two waves, with just the ordinary creatures in the first wave, and the creatures with levels in the second wave.  The party handled the first wave easily enough, but when the second wave came they should've retreated - they didn't, they moved forward and attacked.I rolled well, but not exceptionally well.  Two PCs died, and the other two only just survived.  All rolls were made in front of the players - I believe in doing it that way, because then they know I'm not fudging it.Anyway, the players weren't upset with me - they were overconfident, and didn't respect the creatures enough.  They learnt a good lesson, and we had some good roleplaying in trying to get the PCs raised/res'd/re-incarnated.In this case I didn't even know of the total CR of the encounter.  The party knew the creatures were aware of them, and went ahead anyway.Dark Eternal - is there any chance for bringing your party back?  Someone else finding their corpses and getting them brought back to life (minus all their magic items, I'd imagine).  Hey, I reckon you could even find a way to have Ragu bring them back to life as his prisoners or something.Good luck,Duncan</blockquote>

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