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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5845881" data-attributes="member: 4937">Well yeah, I think I was pretty clear about that.   What I was surprised about was how quickly my dislike returned.  I was thinking that my problems with the system lived in the edges of it and wouldn't really be issues in a one shot where we played 1e's core game of going into dungeons, killing things, and taking their stuff.   I confess that I'd been lured by nostalgic feelings from all these people discussing the latest fad in retro gaming, so that I'd probably put my rose colored glasses on prior to starting play.But it turns out that the game seemed even more clunky to me than I remember it being, and the rose colored glasses got smashed early on.There are things I miss about random attribute generation.  I can at least understand the feelings people have when they say, "I'm not fond of point buy.", or "I prefered rolling up stats."   In fact, I did randomly generate stats for this game when I rolled up starting characters.   (I used 4d6 drop lowest in order.)    There are several things I miss about 1e - exponential increases in XP to level, simultaneous declaration and combat, casting times, weapon vs. AC modifiers, and a variety of other things that I've been tempted to fold into my 3e homebrew in some form.   But random ability generation is a good case in point where I think that the pro's of the system are greatly outweighed by the con's.   I should also point out that for the most part, none of the 5 characters had an ability score that had much in game meaning during the session anyway.    Most of the ability scores were in the 8-14 range that is largely meaningless in 1e, and of the few above and below it several - a 4 Wisdom, a 7 intelligence, a 5 Charisma, and 17 Charisma - simply had no in game impact on play.   The only character who's ability score was in any way defining, was the one that had 16 Str.   This approach to ability scores in 1e helps mask the serious problems that random ability generation can lead to, especially over the course of one session.   Far and away the bigger impact of randomly rolling up the PC's, was the elf Fighter/M-U that had only 10 hit points because of poor hit point rolls.</blockquote>

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