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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5849228" data-attributes="member: 4937">By the time I gave up on 1st edition, orcs, goblins, kobolds leaders and the like had PC class levels and ability scores just as they do now in 3e.   Indeed, mosters had ability scores just as in 3rd edition.  As I've said many times before, the reason 3e drew me back to the game is that it was a much cleaner, better thought out, easier to use version of my own 1e house rules to the extent that it was barely like changing systems only I lost many of the annoyances I'd had before.   Also, my time in the larger gaming world had made me appreciate a lot of the basic D&D mechanics - linearity, hit points, classes, etc. - better, to the extent that through most of the past 10 years I've spent a lot of time at EnWorld defending 1e as a system.  One of the reasons I've found this thread really annoying, is that I keep getting preached at as if I was a neophyte in need of instruction, even though the bottom line is that the above statements are a summation of the thesis I outlined to the OP in the thread I just linked you to.  I mean you are literally just parroting back to me something I've not only known for years, but on the basis of the fact that you were just  now asserting that more than 100 damage per round was imposible in 1e and something you needed to see the math on to believe, I've probably know better than you do and from more first hand experience.Acknowledge?  I acknowledged this???  From that, you'd think that somehow you were the one taking that position and that I'm the one whose been forced to admit it.   You sure told me.</blockquote>

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