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<blockquote data-quote="Toric_Arthendain" data-source="post: 5849414" data-attributes="member: 9833"><p>I'm sure many people were doing this with monsters in 1e and 2e, adding class levels and ability scores and the like. And I know that this is one of the reasons many really liked 3e because it advocated doing so. But this works just as well in 1e. You can also modify monsters by adding hit dice which makes them tougher to kill and makes it easier for them to hit with their own attacks. You can add powers, magic items, spells, whatever. Some people might find that too "hand wavy" though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And here you go getting all touchy again. I have not accused you of being a beginner or "preached" at you. I have not said you are a bad DM. I have not said that how you run a game is stupid. I have said several times that "to each his own". I have not said that I think "3e sucks". I have only stated what I believe to be true about 1e and 3e from MY perspective and experience with each system. I believe I have been polite in my arguments. I have read all that you have posted before making my own responses. You on the other hand have been snarky at times and have attacked MY arguments as personal deficiencies or me lacking experience.</p><p></p><p>As for the 100 damage per round, I couldn't care less. Because I wanted to see your math on that doesn't make me have less experience than you with 1e and I don't believe I said it was "impossible". I just asked to see how you saw a character doing 100+ points of damage in a round. I am aware that a large variety of things can make you be able to do very large amounts of damage, from spells, to magic items, to broken rules in UA and all things in between. You keep trumpeting your own experience level as if that means those of us with differing opinions are somehow lesser. Just because you can come up with a ranger doing 148 points of damage in a round doesn't mean that is the norm in my game or anyone else's for that matter. You used the extreme to come to that conclusion. UA and all its warts. Character of 13th level or more with near artifact level magic items of +5. Whatever.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wow. I simply read in the thread you linked to that you mentioned that the game was often rapidly coming to a close by 12th level, something I said earlier in this thread prior to you linking to that older thread. I guess I shouldn't have said "acknowledged". Stated would have been better because you DID state that in that thread. I meant no disrespect when I said acknowledged.</p><p></p><p>I guess this is about where I bow out of this thread. I have been participating and discussing this with you here without getting all bent out of shape even though your opinions don't match mine. You on the other hand seem to be taking this more personally as evidenced by your comment about being annoyed by this thread. I was frankly interested in hearing your points in the argument as it illustrates what I have said all along, everyone has different styles, different likes and dislikes and it is interesting to see varying viewpoints even if those points don't change my mind. That is the whole point of posting on a message board in my opinion. If everyone agreed all the time, what fun would that be?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Toric_Arthendain, post: 5849414, member: 9833"] I'm sure many people were doing this with monsters in 1e and 2e, adding class levels and ability scores and the like. And I know that this is one of the reasons many really liked 3e because it advocated doing so. But this works just as well in 1e. You can also modify monsters by adding hit dice which makes them tougher to kill and makes it easier for them to hit with their own attacks. You can add powers, magic items, spells, whatever. Some people might find that too "hand wavy" though. And here you go getting all touchy again. I have not accused you of being a beginner or "preached" at you. I have not said you are a bad DM. I have not said that how you run a game is stupid. I have said several times that "to each his own". I have not said that I think "3e sucks". I have only stated what I believe to be true about 1e and 3e from MY perspective and experience with each system. I believe I have been polite in my arguments. I have read all that you have posted before making my own responses. You on the other hand have been snarky at times and have attacked MY arguments as personal deficiencies or me lacking experience. As for the 100 damage per round, I couldn't care less. Because I wanted to see your math on that doesn't make me have less experience than you with 1e and I don't believe I said it was "impossible". I just asked to see how you saw a character doing 100+ points of damage in a round. I am aware that a large variety of things can make you be able to do very large amounts of damage, from spells, to magic items, to broken rules in UA and all things in between. You keep trumpeting your own experience level as if that means those of us with differing opinions are somehow lesser. Just because you can come up with a ranger doing 148 points of damage in a round doesn't mean that is the norm in my game or anyone else's for that matter. You used the extreme to come to that conclusion. UA and all its warts. Character of 13th level or more with near artifact level magic items of +5. Whatever. Wow. I simply read in the thread you linked to that you mentioned that the game was often rapidly coming to a close by 12th level, something I said earlier in this thread prior to you linking to that older thread. I guess I shouldn't have said "acknowledged". Stated would have been better because you DID state that in that thread. I meant no disrespect when I said acknowledged. I guess this is about where I bow out of this thread. I have been participating and discussing this with you here without getting all bent out of shape even though your opinions don't match mine. You on the other hand seem to be taking this more personally as evidenced by your comment about being annoyed by this thread. I was frankly interested in hearing your points in the argument as it illustrates what I have said all along, everyone has different styles, different likes and dislikes and it is interesting to see varying viewpoints even if those points don't change my mind. That is the whole point of posting on a message board in my opinion. If everyone agreed all the time, what fun would that be? [/QUOTE]
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