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<blockquote data-quote="rogueattorney" data-source="post: 3461938" data-attributes="member: 17551">Actually, Q1 is pretty significant because it's probably the first example of where Gary's lack of control over the company negatively effected the product that was produced.&nbsp; And putting out Q1 kind of snow-balled the problems Gary was having getting out other product.&nbsp; It basically necessitated the re-write of T2, in which Lolth was to be the main villain.&nbsp; And that re-write was never completely done, so it had to be finished by Mentzer in a form that a lot of people aren't particularly satisfied with.&nbsp; Unfortunately, this barely even touches the tip of the iceberg for Gygax-era 1e vaporware that we'll never see.Re-reading the old Dragon articles about future products is just kind of sad, when you consider that much of it was lost in a power struggle that booted Gygax to L.A., and then eventually completely out the door.Tying it back to 1e v. 2e...&nbsp; One of the biggest Gygax era vaporware items is his 2nd edition that he was working on with Frank Mentzer (at least according to Dragon articles).&nbsp; I think a lot of us were simply disappointed that 2e was not the product proposed by Gygax in Dragon during the '83/'85 time frame.&nbsp; And the failure to meet expectations probably forever colored our perception of that edition.&nbsp; It also didn't help that there was an editorial by David Cook (2e's main designer) in Dragon in 1987 that was pretty hostile to a lot of what was in 1e.&nbsp; Reading the 2e design section in the 30th Anniversary book by Steve Winters confirms that Cook wasn't the only one at TSR who felt that way, and in their minds at least, the 2e transformation was a lot more radical than most fans tend to think of it.&nbsp; Frankly, justified or not, there was a lot of 1e bashing by people eager for a new edition that was very similar to the 2e bashing that was going on right before 3e came out.&nbsp; Anyway, the point is, some of the politics and attitudes of the people harping for a new edition (and creating said new edition) certainly turned off a lot of us who were fairly happy with 1e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rogueattorney, post: 3461938, member: 17551"] Actually, Q1 is pretty significant because it's probably the first example of where Gary's lack of control over the company negatively effected the product that was produced. And putting out Q1 kind of snow-balled the problems Gary was having getting out other product. It basically necessitated the re-write of T2, in which Lolth was to be the main villain. And that re-write was never completely done, so it had to be finished by Mentzer in a form that a lot of people aren't particularly satisfied with. Unfortunately, this barely even touches the tip of the iceberg for Gygax-era 1e vaporware that we'll never see. Re-reading the old Dragon articles about future products is just kind of sad, when you consider that much of it was lost in a power struggle that booted Gygax to L.A., and then eventually completely out the door. Tying it back to 1e v. 2e... One of the biggest Gygax era vaporware items is his 2nd edition that he was working on with Frank Mentzer (at least according to Dragon articles). I think a lot of us were simply disappointed that 2e was not the product proposed by Gygax in Dragon during the '83/'85 time frame. And the failure to meet expectations probably forever colored our perception of that edition. It also didn't help that there was an editorial by David Cook (2e's main designer) in Dragon in 1987 that was pretty hostile to a lot of what was in 1e. Reading the 2e design section in the 30th Anniversary book by Steve Winters confirms that Cook wasn't the only one at TSR who felt that way, and in their minds at least, the 2e transformation was a lot more radical than most fans tend to think of it. Frankly, justified or not, there was a lot of 1e bashing by people eager for a new edition that was very similar to the 2e bashing that was going on right before 3e came out. Anyway, the point is, some of the politics and attitudes of the people harping for a new edition (and creating said new edition) certainly turned off a lot of us who were fairly happy with 1e. [/QUOTE]

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