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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3722060" data-attributes="member: 15999">Really?&nbsp; 1st-level human warrior uses the &quot;non-elite array&quot; for stats, so that's a 13 Con AT MOST.&nbsp; He has &quot;average&quot; HP per HD, so 4 (see the Orc warrior in the MM), maybe +1 for Con, so 5.&nbsp; The fighter has a better stat array and maximum HP for his first HD.&nbsp; Typically 12 HP or so -- 2.4 times as many.&nbsp; The fighter has better attack rolls, saving throws, AC, and gear.&nbsp; Stat them out and compare them.&nbsp; You'll see the fighter is WAY better.&nbsp; He'll typically drop a warrior with every hit, whereas the warrior would take 3 hits on average to bring the fighter down, AND the fighter will hit more often.And the wizard, as I've said many times, is not just about his spells but about his knowledge.&nbsp; If your DM isn't letting those Spellcraft and Knowledge checks help overcome problems, then he's shortchanging you on a POWERFUL class ability and a major element of the wizard's role in folklore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 3722060, member: 15999"] Really? 1st-level human warrior uses the "non-elite array" for stats, so that's a 13 Con AT MOST. He has "average" HP per HD, so 4 (see the Orc warrior in the MM), maybe +1 for Con, so 5. The fighter has a better stat array and maximum HP for his first HD. Typically 12 HP or so -- 2.4 times as many. The fighter has better attack rolls, saving throws, AC, and gear. Stat them out and compare them. You'll see the fighter is WAY better. He'll typically drop a warrior with every hit, whereas the warrior would take 3 hits on average to bring the fighter down, AND the fighter will hit more often. And the wizard, as I've said many times, is not just about his spells but about his knowledge. If your DM isn't letting those Spellcraft and Knowledge checks help overcome problems, then he's shortchanging you on a POWERFUL class ability and a major element of the wizard's role in folklore. [/QUOTE]

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