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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 3740518" data-attributes="member: 4720"><p>Talk about taking the ball and running in entirely the wrong direction with it.</p><p></p><p>Tons of training does not a hero make. Do not assume that by saying "1st level characters are heroes" that it means they cannot be wet-behind-the-ears kids. They will simply be wet-behind-the-ears kids with a destiny rather than wet-behind-the-ears kids who keel over when a housecat looks at them funny.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The reason guns took over European battlefields was that you didn't need to train people in their use. You could pull people essentially off the streets, shove a gun in their hands, and have them be more effective on the battlefield than anything that had come before in warfare. And this <em>despite</em> the fact that for most of firearms history, a substantial portion of any army tended to more or less deliberately try to miss. You should see the appalling psychology studies the Army did to figure out how to break down human beings to the point that they would reliably shoot to kill.</p><p></p><p>And, as someone who has used firearms and had training in a handful of real weapons... any idiot can kill someone with a gun. Most idiots only manage to kill themselves with swords. And you would be amazed at the damage I've seen people manage to do to <em>themselves</em> with bows. But that almost takes talent, in its way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost, post: 3740518, member: 4720"] Talk about taking the ball and running in entirely the wrong direction with it. Tons of training does not a hero make. Do not assume that by saying "1st level characters are heroes" that it means they cannot be wet-behind-the-ears kids. They will simply be wet-behind-the-ears kids with a destiny rather than wet-behind-the-ears kids who keel over when a housecat looks at them funny. The reason guns took over European battlefields was that you didn't need to train people in their use. You could pull people essentially off the streets, shove a gun in their hands, and have them be more effective on the battlefield than anything that had come before in warfare. And this [i]despite[/i] the fact that for most of firearms history, a substantial portion of any army tended to more or less deliberately try to miss. You should see the appalling psychology studies the Army did to figure out how to break down human beings to the point that they would reliably shoot to kill. And, as someone who has used firearms and had training in a handful of real weapons... any idiot can kill someone with a gun. Most idiots only manage to kill themselves with swords. And you would be amazed at the damage I've seen people manage to do to [i]themselves[/i] with bows. But that almost takes talent, in its way. [/QUOTE]
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