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<blockquote data-quote="JoeGKushner" data-source="post: 3749310" data-attributes="member: 1129"><p>In terms of starting power levels, one of the greatest weaknesses in the D&D engine is that it's never really accounted for background.</p><p></p><p>Elric. In his first novel, he's a master conjuror, commands vast armies, is an expert swordsman, has the finest arms and armor. And that's before he gets Stormbringer.</p><p></p><p>Robin Hood: I don't think we'll see too many say that he's 1st level at the start of the story.</p><p></p><p>Conan: While Conan is not at the height of his prowess when he's first introduced, he's no first level character either.</p><p></p><p>Hawkmoon: Starts off in a bad situation and gains items as he goes through the series but there is no doubt that he's a master swordsman and tactician.</p><p></p><p>Eternal Warrior: Well, he's the Eternal Warrior, Erekose!</p><p></p><p>In other cases, it's popular for "farm boy" to save the world. Raymond Feist has Pug. Ironically enough, in latter series, due to being one of Pug's kids, the kids start off much more powerful than poor Pug ever did. Robert Jordan has Rand, but once again ,as the series progresses, we seem some very powerful characters introduced, and Rand's (as well as Pug, and magic using characters in general), do not follow anything like D&D level evolution where they're powers SKYROCKET going from 1st to 30th level in a heartbeat and then using writer fiat to get out of fatal situations.</p><p></p><p>Part of the problem is the automatic advancing of abilities. Other parts of the problem are that you have to have A, B, and C before you get X, Y, and Z even though you have no interest in the former and will never use them.</p><p></p><p>I'll be curious to see how the new system works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JoeGKushner, post: 3749310, member: 1129"] In terms of starting power levels, one of the greatest weaknesses in the D&D engine is that it's never really accounted for background. Elric. In his first novel, he's a master conjuror, commands vast armies, is an expert swordsman, has the finest arms and armor. And that's before he gets Stormbringer. Robin Hood: I don't think we'll see too many say that he's 1st level at the start of the story. Conan: While Conan is not at the height of his prowess when he's first introduced, he's no first level character either. Hawkmoon: Starts off in a bad situation and gains items as he goes through the series but there is no doubt that he's a master swordsman and tactician. Eternal Warrior: Well, he's the Eternal Warrior, Erekose! In other cases, it's popular for "farm boy" to save the world. Raymond Feist has Pug. Ironically enough, in latter series, due to being one of Pug's kids, the kids start off much more powerful than poor Pug ever did. Robert Jordan has Rand, but once again ,as the series progresses, we seem some very powerful characters introduced, and Rand's (as well as Pug, and magic using characters in general), do not follow anything like D&D level evolution where they're powers SKYROCKET going from 1st to 30th level in a heartbeat and then using writer fiat to get out of fatal situations. Part of the problem is the automatic advancing of abilities. Other parts of the problem are that you have to have A, B, and C before you get X, Y, and Z even though you have no interest in the former and will never use them. I'll be curious to see how the new system works. [/QUOTE]
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