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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9059219" data-attributes="member: 5889">So if you don't use Nick, you can still use a quarterstaff and do 1d8 + 3, 1d6 +3 (14) . Versus a Fighter with TWF doing 1d6 + 3, 1d6 +3 (13).So the Monk does still does 7.7% more damage. You can argue whether that's enough considering you have removed the Monk's best damage option, but the monk still does more than the fighter.Or the monk can use a greatclub to do 1d8 +3 damage and push the target away 10 feet, allowing them to run back..... which might address that key survivability option people are concerned about in certain fights. Though its should be noted that doing that you forego your unarmed strike, so you are trading offense for defense. But that is an option as I know people were saying monks have no flexibility in trading offense and defense.</blockquote>