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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9059251" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Yes, I do think 6.5 damage is a crushing difference. It is the damage difference between a -1 strength score and a +5 strength score, on a single attack. Or any of a dozen other ways to split it. It would be the equivalent of getting +2d6 damage a turn. And all the story and fluff are great reasons, but here is a secret for you. Closely guarded. You don't have to settle to be less effective, to have a good story and good fluff. I play paladins for the story and fluff, and it turns out, Paladins don't underperform in combat. They are actually pretty good in combat. So, just because I like the story and the fluff of the monk, doesn't mean I have to sacrifice. Every combat class except maybe the barbarian outperforms monks once they pass level 11. Level 11 is a combat damage bump level for martials. Monks need an increase there. It isn't an increase that needs to make them the best class that ever existed, it is an increase to KEEP them in line with the other classes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9059251, member: 6801228"] Yes, I do think 6.5 damage is a crushing difference. It is the damage difference between a -1 strength score and a +5 strength score, on a single attack. Or any of a dozen other ways to split it. It would be the equivalent of getting +2d6 damage a turn. And all the story and fluff are great reasons, but here is a secret for you. Closely guarded. You don't have to settle to be less effective, to have a good story and good fluff. I play paladins for the story and fluff, and it turns out, Paladins don't underperform in combat. They are actually pretty good in combat. So, just because I like the story and the fluff of the monk, doesn't mean I have to sacrifice. Every combat class except maybe the barbarian outperforms monks once they pass level 11. Level 11 is a combat damage bump level for martials. Monks need an increase there. It isn't an increase that needs to make them the best class that ever existed, it is an increase to KEEP them in line with the other classes. [/QUOTE]

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