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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 1067867" data-attributes="member: 545">You will probably eventually probably want both.Stunning Fist&nbsp; is a little on the weak side until you hit 6th+ level.&nbsp; You have few attempts per day, you miss a lot, and your DC is not too hot.&nbsp; Once you hit low-mid levels, you have plenty of attempts to always burn one per round and your DC hits the respectable 17+ range.&nbsp; A big positive for Stunning Fist is it does work on very tough grunt monsters that you wouldn't dare grapple -- you just need to get lucky.&nbsp; You have ~10% chance per round of successfully getting a stun against, say, a Frost Giant.I am a big fan of grappling and Improved Grapple is suberb against humanoid spellcasters.&nbsp; Even humanoid fighter types are vulnerable -- they are much less dangerous while grappled while you are just as deadly. In conclusion, I think Improved Grapple is slightly better at low level.&nbsp; I like Stunning Fist a little more at mid and higher levels.&nbsp; Both are feats well spent IMHO.As a final note, do consider tactical synergies.&nbsp; Stuns are awesome when you have a rogue(s) in the party.&nbsp; Grappling is good too, but a bit less attractive if you have an archer heavy party.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 1067867, member: 545"] You will probably eventually probably want both. Stunning Fist is a little on the weak side until you hit 6th+ level. You have few attempts per day, you miss a lot, and your DC is not too hot. Once you hit low-mid levels, you have plenty of attempts to always burn one per round and your DC hits the respectable 17+ range. A big positive for Stunning Fist is it does work on very tough grunt monsters that you wouldn't dare grapple -- you just need to get lucky. You have ~10% chance per round of successfully getting a stun against, say, a Frost Giant. I am a big fan of grappling and Improved Grapple is suberb against humanoid spellcasters. Even humanoid fighter types are vulnerable -- they are much less dangerous while grappled while you are just as deadly. In conclusion, I think Improved Grapple is slightly better at low level. I like Stunning Fist a little more at mid and higher levels. Both are feats well spent IMHO. As a final note, do consider tactical synergies. Stuns are awesome when you have a rogue(s) in the party. Grappling is good too, but a bit less attractive if you have an archer heavy party. [/QUOTE]

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