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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7272282" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>"In your opinion" and "According to the rules" are not the same thing.</p><p></p><p>According to the rules, I'm fairly sure the breath weapon would not be impacted except to the extent the DC of the saving throw depended on CON. </p><p></p><p>In my opinion, in addition, the breath weapon of an enlarged creature should be similarly enlarged in area of effect and increase in damage in the same way (and to the same degree) as an enlarged weapon. So, in my opinion, a breath weapon dealing 4d4 damage should become 4d6 if the same creature is enlarged. But as far as I know, the rules don't say that, and it should also be noted that I frequently use a different scaling table to avoid the out of scale jump that happens when you go from 4.5 average damage (using d8s) to 7 (converted to 2d6). But that's just 'house rules' and any DM would be right to be skeptical of a player who simultaneously wants to gain some benefit and who also wants to argue for a ruling that would be greatly beneficial to them.</p><p></p><p>While we are on the subject of IMO, I'd never allow 'Dragon Wild Shape' as written precisely because the feat doesn't actually specify what it does. In my opinion, it's terrible design to write a rule whose actual benefit depends entirely on something not constrained by the rules, namely how powerful a small or medium sized monster with the dragon type should be. Writing a rule that way leaves it wholly ripe for abuse because at the time people imagine dragons as foes, they probably aren't thinking very much about a PC being able to shapechange into one, and conversely at the time the person designed the feat - they probably only glanced at what was available rather than exhaustively listing everything that was available or could be made available. For example, does the feat allow you to shape change into an ancient Fairy Dragon? Similarly, the medium sized blue dragon is vastly more potent than the medium sized red dragon, so the feat isn't even really balanced in and of itself because dragon designers never realized that they were operating under the constraint 'dragons of the same size class should be roughly balanced with each other'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7272282, member: 4937"] "In your opinion" and "According to the rules" are not the same thing. According to the rules, I'm fairly sure the breath weapon would not be impacted except to the extent the DC of the saving throw depended on CON. In my opinion, in addition, the breath weapon of an enlarged creature should be similarly enlarged in area of effect and increase in damage in the same way (and to the same degree) as an enlarged weapon. So, in my opinion, a breath weapon dealing 4d4 damage should become 4d6 if the same creature is enlarged. But as far as I know, the rules don't say that, and it should also be noted that I frequently use a different scaling table to avoid the out of scale jump that happens when you go from 4.5 average damage (using d8s) to 7 (converted to 2d6). But that's just 'house rules' and any DM would be right to be skeptical of a player who simultaneously wants to gain some benefit and who also wants to argue for a ruling that would be greatly beneficial to them. While we are on the subject of IMO, I'd never allow 'Dragon Wild Shape' as written precisely because the feat doesn't actually specify what it does. In my opinion, it's terrible design to write a rule whose actual benefit depends entirely on something not constrained by the rules, namely how powerful a small or medium sized monster with the dragon type should be. Writing a rule that way leaves it wholly ripe for abuse because at the time people imagine dragons as foes, they probably aren't thinking very much about a PC being able to shapechange into one, and conversely at the time the person designed the feat - they probably only glanced at what was available rather than exhaustively listing everything that was available or could be made available. For example, does the feat allow you to shape change into an ancient Fairy Dragon? Similarly, the medium sized blue dragon is vastly more potent than the medium sized red dragon, so the feat isn't even really balanced in and of itself because dragon designers never realized that they were operating under the constraint 'dragons of the same size class should be roughly balanced with each other'. [/QUOTE]
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