Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
1st vs. 4th Level Feats
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 8796148" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>My thought is that this is worse than the 2014 version of feats.</p><p></p><p>I love using feats, but I don't want them being mandatory in the game, which is what WotC has already decided they should be. At least in the last playtest article they actually introduced a way out, because ASI is now a feat... so technically you can say feats aren't really mandatory because you can always choose the ASI feat. Still, many (if not all) backgrounds will come with a feat that probably won't be swappable with the ASI feat, but this is still unknown at the time.</p><p></p><p>Having levelled feat is bad because it significantly reduces the options. In 5e, a human (variant) can choose any feat. This is the primary (mechanical) reason to choose to play a variant human character. In 5.5e, assuming there'll be still a race with a bonus feat at 1st level, they will gravitate more commonly around the same 2-3 feats, because the majority of feats will require a higher level. Less character diversity makes the game worse on the long term.</p><p></p><p>Adding new requirements (minimum level or other) to feats also further restricts what feats each character can take. </p><p></p><p>Adding +1 ability bonus to every single feat is also another think that disgusts me... if it were me I would have actually <em>removed</em> all ability bonuses to all feats and added new small additional benefits in their place. Because just like there are players or playing group who don't like feats, there are also players or playing groups who don't like ability increases.</p><p></p><p>All these changes really give me the feeling that while 5e was the most "freedom edition" of all, WotC has already decided that next edition needs to take a step back and be more restricted, according to the way WotC has decided everybody should play the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 8796148, member: 1465"] My thought is that this is worse than the 2014 version of feats. I love using feats, but I don't want them being mandatory in the game, which is what WotC has already decided they should be. At least in the last playtest article they actually introduced a way out, because ASI is now a feat... so technically you can say feats aren't really mandatory because you can always choose the ASI feat. Still, many (if not all) backgrounds will come with a feat that probably won't be swappable with the ASI feat, but this is still unknown at the time. Having levelled feat is bad because it significantly reduces the options. In 5e, a human (variant) can choose any feat. This is the primary (mechanical) reason to choose to play a variant human character. In 5.5e, assuming there'll be still a race with a bonus feat at 1st level, they will gravitate more commonly around the same 2-3 feats, because the majority of feats will require a higher level. Less character diversity makes the game worse on the long term. Adding new requirements (minimum level or other) to feats also further restricts what feats each character can take. Adding +1 ability bonus to every single feat is also another think that disgusts me... if it were me I would have actually [I]removed[/I] all ability bonuses to all feats and added new small additional benefits in their place. Because just like there are players or playing group who don't like feats, there are also players or playing groups who don't like ability increases. All these changes really give me the feeling that while 5e was the most "freedom edition" of all, WotC has already decided that next edition needs to take a step back and be more restricted, according to the way WotC has decided everybody should play the game. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
1st vs. 4th Level Feats
Top