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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6089364" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Well IT HAPPENNED. Well, this was just my second time  playing 4e and we were a bunch of 4e noobs (the first time it was with  more experienced players and DM, the DM was very good at handling skill  challenges)  as such the material was restricted to just phbs. Seeing I  needed to understand more about the game to propperly play a leader, I  decided to play out of my comfort zone and build a defender. We  played a couple of encounters and they worked well, during those fights I  took very little damage and decided not to expend surges. Then the  party grew, including a couple more leaders another defender and a pair  of extra strikers, nothing wrong there. First fight after that  was a little more difficult, and I had to use two surges, one for  Comeback strike and one in the short rest, I still wasn't at full  health, but the damage I had was so small I thought it didn't justiffied  another surge. Then we entered another room and had to fought a pair of  elites plus minions and then things got nasty...First round I  go and mark one of those two, setting up the rogue for flanking, then  the first leader dropped a heal on me to bring me up to full, then the  minion closes and hits me, then next leader drops another heal on me,  then my mark attacks and hits me, next leader drops another heal to  bring me to full.The following round a similar pattern repeated,  with the leaders taking turns to use my surges (notice that only one  surge per round would have been enough to keep me over bloodied). Then  elite uses a rechargable power on me and severely damages me, Now I'm  bloodied and with no surges left to use my own panic button, so the next attack by a minion after my turn put me down. (Now the party was huge, about nine or ten PC's and I wasn't paying too much attention to my surges, neither the leaders, I wasn't expecting their healing would contribute to the death of my character).Well, of course, if you don't get any healbots you are going to recurr to wands. But since I usually play healbot clerics or outright healers, those might be a myth as well, I haven't witnessed those in play (well, not outside of arena settings) Whenever I play a healing focussed character I get to feel special, and my healing feels special. I've never felt replaced by a wand of CLW (or lesser vigor), because the only times I don't play a healbot are when I play a completely different kind of character. On 4e on the other hand, I cannot enjoy playing a dedicated healer, things are just too different, the 4e model sure does wonders for those who didn't fancy playing healbots, but feels extremely harsh, restrictive and even hostile to those of us who did.</blockquote>

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