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<blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 6091544" data-attributes="member: 3424">Maybe I can turn the question around, for those who think that having a cleric in the party should increase the party's endurance, so that (say) a party who replaced the cleric with a fighter, rogue, wizard, monk, etc. would only be able to take on four encounters before it needs to rest while a paty with a cleric will be able to take on five encounters before it has to rest:What should a party with a cleric be giving up, in order to balance its greater endurance compared to a party that does not have one?One answer could be nothing, in which case parties with a cleric are simply better (in general) than parties without clerics. The problem with this approach is that it then creates an incentive for players to run a cleric (or for groups to require someone to run a cleric) for powergaming rather than thematic reasons.One answer could be offensive ability, but an increase in offensive ability also directly contributes to endurance. If the party is able to kill its enemies faster, so that they cause less hit ploint damage, the party is also able to take on more encounters. Hence, if the loss in offensive ability is more than offset by the cleric's healing abilities, then we are back to the party not really giving up anything by having a cleric.Are there any others?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FireLance, post: 6091544, member: 3424"] Maybe I can turn the question around, for those who think that having a cleric in the party should increase the party's endurance, so that (say) a party who replaced the cleric with a fighter, rogue, wizard, monk, etc. would only be able to take on four encounters before it needs to rest while a paty with a cleric will be able to take on five encounters before it has to rest: What should a party with a cleric be giving up, in order to balance its greater endurance compared to a party that does not have one? One answer could be nothing, in which case parties with a cleric are simply better (in general) than parties without clerics. The problem with this approach is that it then creates an incentive for players to run a cleric (or for groups to require someone to run a cleric) for powergaming rather than thematic reasons. One answer could be offensive ability, but an increase in offensive ability also directly contributes to endurance. If the party is able to kill its enemies faster, so that they cause less hit ploint damage, the party is also able to take on more encounters. Hence, if the loss in offensive ability is more than offset by the cleric's healing abilities, then we are back to the party not really giving up anything by having a cleric. Are there any others? [/QUOTE]

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