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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6091654" data-attributes="member: 6668292">Effective at what though? This is my disconnect. If you value party stamina, play a Cleric. If you want to be effective in other areas, play a class that enhances the party in that area.If that party goes until they can't go anymore every single time they engage in combat. This has rarely been my experience (though it's happened), but I know it differs at different tables. That's been my point.What is a "cleric like some are proposing"?Not exactly.They'll be able to take on more threats quickly in-game, but the same number of combats can be held in the same amount of time by a group that uses one or doesn't, as long as natural healing exists and the group passes over that. That is, the group with the cleric can go through 5 combats, and then rest. The group without one can go through 4, rest naturally (skip time), and get into another 1. Theoretically, this should be just about the same amount of table time. The only advantage happens in-game. Which can be significant (if you get pushed to your max limit), but hey, good for the Cleric. It's not like the Rogue and Wizard don't have significant contributions.Can you see why this doesn't line up to me?Right. I get this, which is why I don't understand the objection to extra stamina from a Cleric.We don't know their play style at all, and play styles conflict. There's absolutely no way to cater to them all.I completely disagree with your framing. The Cleric's unique ability to extend the adventuring day is like a Fighter that can make uniquely high damage rolls, or the Rogue getting uniquely high Perception checks. Anyone can roll Perception checks, but Rogues are better; anyone can deal damage, but Fighter's get better; any party can adventure, but one with a Cleric can do it longer. It's exceptionally different from what you just used to frame it.The cleric doesn't give you more XP, as far as I can tell.No, your maths failed me. The same exact number of combats (and thus XP earned) are had at each table, but the Cleric allows for it to happen in the same in-game day. That makes a difference, but is certainly far away from more XP.Depends on the party goal.Aren't we all... Thanks for the thoughtful and civil reply, though. Sent some XP your way. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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