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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nemesis Destiny" data-source="post: 6093991" data-attributes="member: 98255">I agree, but if they have done so, it has not been publicly stated as such. Additionally, if they have changed their goal, then I am certainly no longer interested and would appreciate getting a press release to that effect so I can stop wasting my time here arguing into the wind about it.Well, if it drives me, and a significant enough number of 4e fans away, then it still fails. I guess they didn't cast their net broad enough. Likewise for fans of any other edition, including you.I agree, and if in doing so they need to change their design goals, then they should be up front about that. I have less than zero desire to be invested in a process whose final product I won't enjoy.Fair enough, and that is largely made up of the crowd that just wants to play D&D in its newest incarnation. There's nothing wrong with that. But there are a significant number of folks who have developed distinct preferences over the years, and if the game fails to appeal to those people, like you and I, then they are not meeting their stated goal, and hence, failing.I am being realistic, and I am not talking about their corporate goals at all when I say whether or not it fails. I am only talking about their stated design goals. And if that means they don't appeal to the fans they did create with their "last time", then no, sorry, it will be a failure to meet their stated goal. It can make money, it can do 'alright' and be more popular or at least less reviled by the militant traditionalists than 4e, but it will still represent a failure to meet their design goals. That was my point, and all I am saying when I say that so far Next fails. You can have whatever criteria you like for the success or failure of Next, but that doesn't change what I am saying at all.If they fail to capture my interests and the interests of like-minded gamers, then they've failed to meet their stated aim. Period. This is neither harsh nor unfair, it is an objective truth. If your goal is X, and you fail to meet the definition of X, then you've failed to meet your goal, regardless if you achieve A, B, C, Y, and Z in the process. Heck, if the goal is to meet A, B, C, X, Y, and Z and you miss any of them, it's a failure.</blockquote>

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