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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thurbane" data-source="post: 3071418" data-attributes="member: 43273">Again, thanks for the feedback, very well thought out. The logic here is sound, but I really only want to apply this rule to the immediate group being fired at, rather than have the possibility of another combatant 100 feet away but in the line of effect be at risk. While this may refelct realism, I think it would add a bit too much complexity to our combats. Basically, what my rule does is to penalize people for firing "willy nilly" into a melee - another real world analogy I would use is that no matter how good a shot they were, no sane cop would fire at a perp who was toe to toe with his partner, for fear of hitting his partner.I think it worded it badly, but that is the system I use. The accidental hit chance only comes into play if the miss is bad enough to also miss the intended target's touch AC.True, trying to get too "realistic" with combat rules often doesn't translate well into game terms. For backpeddling, perhaps some kind of tumble check should be required to see if you get away without provoking an AoO.Indeed - I believe the Feint rules under the Bluff skill do take this into account, meaning the better your BAB, the harder you are to Feint against. Also, if we are going with a Feint based withdraw action, I would also give bonuses to the roll for each allied creature who threatens the opponent, like a help another roll.Thats true, of course. If players always played it safe, they wouldn't truly be "adventurers".  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Thanks - I guess I'm a little defensive. At a certain other forum, I really got torn to shreds for discussing these house rules. And thanks again for your suggestions, they have given me some real food for thought.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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