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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7321695" data-attributes="member: 16814">Well, for starters, mutual respect isn't not questioning the premises of another poster.&nbsp; That's something that irritates you.&nbsp; Note the lack of mutualness surrounding that pronoun.&nbsp; This is an issue you have.&nbsp; Others may share it, but, then again, they may not.&nbsp; You cannot universally declare that your personal tastes are the basis of mutual respect for the whole forum.&nbsp; That's just a very bad premise.So, then, we're really not talking about mutual respect.&nbsp; I'm twisting nothing; I'm properly noting that your desires are a personal preference you have.&nbsp; One that your respond to any violation of with calling that poster toxic.&nbsp; Which is linguistic bully tactics, especially for the &quot;crime&quot; of daring to question a thread's premise on ENW.&nbsp; Your request that others not question your premises is a valid request.&nbsp; I encourage you to add it to those threads you start where you wish to discuss under a certain set of premises.&nbsp; Those can be engaging discussions, provided you explain a mite on why you wish those precise premises.&nbsp; But, demanding it under thread of being called toxic isn't mutual respect, it's you acting the bully to push your own preferences on everyone else.&nbsp; I'm almost always going to tweak that, as I much prefer an environment where arguments can be questioned on both their merits and their premises instead of being forced to discuss everything only on those premises that are permitted.&nbsp; That sounds horrible.If you dislike your premises being questioned, get better premises, or grow thicker skin.&nbsp; The slings and arrows of real life are far harsher than asking why you'd ever want to stop a bard from flying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7321695, member: 16814"] Well, for starters, mutual respect isn't not questioning the premises of another poster. That's something that irritates [I]you[/I]. Note the lack of mutualness surrounding that pronoun. This is an issue [I]you [/I]have. Others may share it, but, then again, they may not. You cannot universally declare that your personal tastes are the basis of mutual respect for the whole forum. That's just a very bad premise. So, then, we're really not talking about mutual respect. I'm twisting nothing; I'm properly noting that your desires are a personal preference you have. One that your respond to any violation of with calling that poster toxic. Which is linguistic bully tactics, especially for the "crime" of daring to question a thread's premise on ENW. Your request that others not question your premises is a valid request. I encourage you to add it to those threads you start where you wish to discuss under a certain set of premises. Those can be engaging discussions, provided you explain a mite on why you wish those precise premises. But, demanding it under thread of being called toxic isn't mutual respect, it's you acting the bully to push your own preferences on everyone else. I'm almost always going to tweak that, as I much prefer an environment where arguments can be questioned on both their merits and their premises instead of being forced to discuss everything only on those premises that are permitted. That sounds horrible. If you dislike your premises being questioned, get better premises, or grow thicker skin. The slings and arrows of real life are far harsher than asking why you'd ever want to stop a bard from flying. [/QUOTE]

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