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<blockquote data-quote="Dan'L" data-source="post: 5089404" data-attributes="member: 68954">That's nice.&nbsp; They need to put this in the updates, though, because as currently written there is no explicit rule that excludes a Conjuration that can be targeted by an attack from being targeted by an OA.A couple notes.&nbsp; First, the rules don't read &quot;creature,&quot; they read &quot;enemy.&quot;&nbsp; Also, your second condition is incorrect, it's &quot;leaves&quot; a square, not &quot;enters.&quot;&nbsp; Not that this makes a whole lot of difference to what you're saying, but if you're going to pull out the rules, it's nice to have them as written.I will not say that the first cannot &quot;ever&quot; apply, since they seem fond of pumping up things through feats, just that at present it cannot apply, and move on.On the second, there is no written rule that I have found (outside of your link to Customer Services' FAQ; thanks for that!) that states that conjurations cannot trigger OAs.&nbsp; The closest I have found is the rule that precludes a conjuration from being the target of any attack -- and since this rule is explicitly overwritten by the Summon Spirit Companion power, allowing a Spirit Companion to be the target of melee attacks -- and since an OA is defined as a melee attacks -- it seemed to me to be a reasonable conclusion that a Spirit Companion can be the target of OAs.Again, if it is their intention that conjurations that can be targeted by melee attacks but still cannot trigger OAs, they really need to write it into the rules.&nbsp; It shouldn't be left to the table to split the hair of when you can regard the SC as an enemy for one MBA but not another.No, I get that this is what you &amp; the link are saying, and overall I don't think that it would be unreasonable to build the game this way if that's what WOTC intends.&nbsp; I'm just saying that I can't find any actual rules that support this claim.Okay.&nbsp; I don't recall ever claiming that it was?&nbsp; I did claim was that it is a melee attack, is that what you're thinking of?As I see now, that is clearly their intention through the FAQ you linked.&nbsp; I was merely working in rules ignorance, since apparently all I thought to refer to was PHBs 1 &amp; 2 and the latest update/errata <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm&nbsp; &nbsp; :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" />&nbsp; Now that I've got a clearer official rules source, I concede your point. (I know this reads kind of snide, but I don't intend it that way.&nbsp; Thanks again for providing the link!)-Dan'L</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dan'L, post: 5089404, member: 68954"] That's nice. They need to put this in the updates, though, because as currently written there is no explicit rule that excludes a Conjuration that can be targeted by an attack from being targeted by an OA. A couple notes. First, the rules don't read "creature," they read "enemy." Also, your second condition is incorrect, it's "leaves" a square, not "enters." Not that this makes a whole lot of difference to what you're saying, but if you're going to pull out the rules, it's nice to have them as written. I will not say that the first cannot "ever" apply, since they seem fond of pumping up things through feats, just that at present it cannot apply, and move on. On the second, there is no written rule that I have found (outside of your link to Customer Services' FAQ; thanks for that!) that states that conjurations cannot trigger OAs. The [I]closest[/I] I have found is the rule that precludes a conjuration from being the target of any attack -- and since this rule is explicitly overwritten by the Summon Spirit Companion power, allowing a Spirit Companion to be the target of melee attacks -- and since an OA is defined as a melee attacks -- it seemed to me to be a reasonable conclusion that a Spirit Companion can be the target of OAs. Again, if it is their intention that conjurations that can be targeted by melee attacks but still cannot trigger OAs, they really need to write it into the rules. It shouldn't be left to the table to split the hair of when you can regard the SC as an enemy for one MBA but not another. No, I get that this is what you & the link are saying, and overall I don't think that it would be unreasonable to build the game this way if that's what WOTC intends. I'm just saying that I can't find any actual rules that support this claim. Okay. I don't recall ever claiming that it was? I did claim was that it is a melee attack, is that what you're thinking of? As I see now, that is clearly their intention through the FAQ you linked. I was merely working in rules ignorance, since apparently all I thought to refer to was PHBs 1 & 2 and the latest update/errata :hmm: Now that I've got a clearer official rules source, I concede your point. (I know this reads kind of snide, but I don't intend it that way. Thanks again for providing the link!) -Dan'L [/QUOTE]

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