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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3560371" data-attributes="member: 29014">Gnomes are size small.&nbsp; That is enough of a penalty that I would say they are not clearly the best illusionists.&nbsp; As for Star Elves, they are clearly more playable than the core PHB elves.&nbsp; If you play with point buy, which it seems you do considering the the &quot;skill, allowing me to further dump my Int and jack up my Dex, Con, and Cha&quot;, then you should realise that the +2 Cha will actually lead to a higher total Dex, Con, and Cha even if you take 2 higher Int for more skill points (unnecessary for most Sorcerers).&nbsp; Frex--Human Sorcerer who wants 18 Cha, 16 Con, 14 Dex, 10 Int (effectively 12 Int for skill points due to Human) pays 34 points just for those stats (yikes!&nbsp; nothing left over for Wis or Str, even in a high PB game).&nbsp; If you play a +2 Cha no penalty race, you can do 18 Cha, 16 Con, 14 Dex, 12 Int (strictly better than being a human with 10 Int, since you have the same SP and that's also a bonus on Int-based skills) for 30 points.&nbsp; Now who's saving points?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3560371, member: 29014"] Gnomes are size small. That is enough of a penalty that I would say they are not clearly the best illusionists. As for Star Elves, they are clearly more playable than the core PHB elves. If you play with point buy, which it seems you do considering the the "skill, allowing me to further dump my Int and jack up my Dex, Con, and Cha", then you should realise that the +2 Cha will actually lead to a higher total Dex, Con, and Cha even if you take 2 higher Int for more skill points (unnecessary for most Sorcerers). Frex--Human Sorcerer who wants 18 Cha, 16 Con, 14 Dex, 10 Int (effectively 12 Int for skill points due to Human) pays 34 points just for those stats (yikes! nothing left over for Wis or Str, even in a high PB game). If you play a +2 Cha no penalty race, you can do 18 Cha, 16 Con, 14 Dex, 12 Int (strictly better than being a human with 10 Int, since you have the same SP and that's also a bonus on Int-based skills) for 30 points. Now who's saving points? [/QUOTE]

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