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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 7974524" data-attributes="member: 1465">Nice story.First of all, I don't see anything wrong in what YOU did as a DM. However, if I may say something about the first part with the Bard player, I don't understand why YOU, not as the DM but as his friend, didn't tell him anything at the table and just waited for other players to speak up. If I am one player in a game where other people are friends with each other but I am just an acquaintance, I do not criticize how others are playing, and I am certainly NOT going to stand up and accuse another player of being a d0rk in front of everyone, because I think it's unpolite. I would shut up until the game is over, then make my discomfort known and be noted, and if the behaviour continues I would probably just leave the group. But if I am a FRIEND of the d0rk, then I certainly feel like it's my duty to speak quickly and let him know in front of anyone, it doesn't matter whether I am the DM or a player. Anyway, you sorted it out eventually, but you might have avoided a prolonged period of players irritation and your friend's blaming others (after all, he probably thought the others were ok with his behaviour since they let him continue for many sessions).The second situation on the river boat is definitely not your fault in the least. Unfortunately I think it's a by-product of the culture of resolving everything with combat, so a lot of players automatically think that when their main plan has failed, they just had to fight.I am going to say it clearly, that personally I think this is bad roleplaying. I don't know the story of this adventure, but from your description it sounds like this Lord and their guards are NOT the "evil guys" of the story. Maybe they are evil on their own, but still they are not the kind of immediate threat which must be dealt with force. Roleplaying is about immersing yourself in the fantasy situation, as if you were the player characters. Obviously they can choose to play evil characters if they want to, are their PCs evil? If they are, then their roleplay was appropriate and should simple expect to live with the consequences, but I think you would have mentioned if that was the case. If the PCs are not evil, the players should have asked themselves what would the PCs do, not what is "more convenient" for the players whose plan just failed and just kill everyone because it's easier than thinking again.As for the adventure, if you let them find the clue they needed to continue, then the adventure isn't over, but there is no fundamental problem in the fact that sometimes the PCs FAIL an adventure. OTOH, I would certainly make them wanted as criminals by the authorities from now on, and take that into account for the rest of the campaign until resolved. If you don't make it matter what the PCs do, then just be aware that your game becomes more like a kids' game.</blockquote>

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