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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5241693" data-attributes="member: 2011">On the other hand, the 20 over the 19 has +1 to hit and damage at levels 1-3, 8-10, 14-17, 21-23, 28-30 or 15 levels out of 30.It really depends on class and party makeup.As an example, a 20 starting Int Hybrid Swordmage|Wizard has great AC, great to hit, good damage, great Reflex. He isn't really losing much with a 20 starting ability score. A couple of points defense in Fort and Will. This is especially true considering the number of enemy only bursts a swordmage|wizard can pump out. It doesn't matter that he has some weaknesses, he's doing decent damage against a lot of foes and shortening encounters most encounters.There are some builds where 18 is better, some where 19 is better, and some where 20 is better when discussing an optimal build.But, any class can use a 20 starting ability score and be an effective PC. The PC will have other weaknesses and will miss out on some feats, but that doesn't mean that a build cannot be done that cannot be fun to play and is effective. Just not optimal.</blockquote>