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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 4827301" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>In many ways, I think 4E is a better fit for Dark Sun than 3E or even 2E were. Consider that 4E has:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Stripped alignment mechanics from the game, so there are no longer classes that are required to be exemplars of virtue</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Changed the low-level "create food and drink"-type spells to rituals with a component cost, so they can't sustain a party indefinitely</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Generally reduced the ability of spellcasters to negate environmental hazards</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Made 1st-level characters tough and durable (the original Dark Sun boxed set started everyone at level 3 to achieve this)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Introduced a PC race, the dragonborn, which are dead ringers for the Dark Sun dray</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Reduced magic item dependence, and made it possible to reduce it even further with simple adjustments</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Created the epic destiny system, which is a perfect fit for dragon (and avangion, if we must have avangions) metamorphosis</li> </ul><p>There really is very little in the 4E core books that would not fit quite well in Dark Sun - unless you adopt a purist, "If it wasn't in the original boxed set it is anathema and must be burned at the stake*!" attitude. Which is sadly common, but those people won't be happy with <em>any</em> re-release of an old setting.</p><p></p><p>I admit that tieflings and devas would require a little creativity. Still, tieflings could be explained as the result of years of exposure to defiling magic, and devas with their reincarnation shtick could work quite well as lonely idealists who remember the world as it was and keep trying to turn back the clock; they already have a kind of doomed nobility thing going on, which is the only kind of nobility Dark Sun's got.</p><p></p><p>Frankly, Dark Sun does not need to change all that much to fit the new D&D, because the new D&D has already changed to fit Dark Sun.</p><p></p><p>[SIZE=-2]*Of course, I am only speaking of 4E stuff here. Stuff from the novels and the revised boxed set <em>is</em> anathema and <em>should</em> be burned at the stake. Except dragon metamorphosis, that bit was cool, once you took out all the garbage about Rajaat.[/SIZE]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 4827301, member: 58197"] In many ways, I think 4E is a better fit for Dark Sun than 3E or even 2E were. Consider that 4E has: [LIST] [*]Stripped alignment mechanics from the game, so there are no longer classes that are required to be exemplars of virtue [*]Changed the low-level "create food and drink"-type spells to rituals with a component cost, so they can't sustain a party indefinitely [*]Generally reduced the ability of spellcasters to negate environmental hazards [*]Made 1st-level characters tough and durable (the original Dark Sun boxed set started everyone at level 3 to achieve this) [*]Introduced a PC race, the dragonborn, which are dead ringers for the Dark Sun dray [*]Reduced magic item dependence, and made it possible to reduce it even further with simple adjustments [*]Created the epic destiny system, which is a perfect fit for dragon (and avangion, if we must have avangions) metamorphosis [/LIST] There really is very little in the 4E core books that would not fit quite well in Dark Sun - unless you adopt a purist, "If it wasn't in the original boxed set it is anathema and must be burned at the stake*!" attitude. Which is sadly common, but those people won't be happy with [I]any[/I] re-release of an old setting. I admit that tieflings and devas would require a little creativity. Still, tieflings could be explained as the result of years of exposure to defiling magic, and devas with their reincarnation shtick could work quite well as lonely idealists who remember the world as it was and keep trying to turn back the clock; they already have a kind of doomed nobility thing going on, which is the only kind of nobility Dark Sun's got. Frankly, Dark Sun does not need to change all that much to fit the new D&D, because the new D&D has already changed to fit Dark Sun. [SIZE=-2]*Of course, I am only speaking of 4E stuff here. Stuff from the novels and the revised boxed set [I]is[/I] anathema and [I]should[/I] be burned at the stake. Except dragon metamorphosis, that bit was cool, once you took out all the garbage about Rajaat.[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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