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<blockquote data-quote="gyor" data-source="post: 7974244" data-attributes="member: 6670153"><p>No they want opinions on a particular opinion for a particular book, to give an honest opinion you need context.</p><p></p><p> Example when I saw the Wild Soul Barbarian I was not impressed because I picturing what seemed like a Disnified Barbarian in a setting like FR or Eberron and alot of other settings were it doesn't fit.</p><p></p><p> But now that I have the context and familiarized myself with the setting I know exactly what they were trying for, a Satyr of Skola Valley (likely the stand in for the Feywild of the setting), whose spent their life in Revellery, Orgies, and Baccanilias, often violent ones, fueled by passions like lust, gluttony, and RAGE. It was beautiful, and would have been an amazing subclass to play, my top pick, if I had any idea what they were working for. And I couldn't give them feedback on how to improve the subclass, because I had no idea what they were trying to invoke, I didn't know it was supposed to be akin to a reveller in the Cult of Dionysus, or one of his Maenads, or Theros' equiviliant. I can help them if they aren't straight up with me and neither can you.</p><p></p><p> Context is Kings. Its frustrating because now this book doesn't have what would have been the coolest subclass in the entirely book, because no one knew what it was for.</p><p></p><p> Alot of what goes into the popularity of a class isn't just the mechanics, its the flavour.</p><p></p><p> To compare by the time we got Simic Hybrid and Vendlken UA, we knew what these were for Ravnica and we could judge them by that standard. No way Simic Hybrid would have survived if it haf just been Hybrid and no context, because it would never fit in most home brewed D&D setting or any traditional D&D settings not even FR or Eberron. But it fit Ravnica like a glove. And so it passed, but contextless Izzet wizard didn't because when its UA happen we had no idea what it was for, or how it fit in, or how to improve it, because were lied to and told it was a lore wizard! Something that you'd expect to be able to slot into any setting, even Darksun, the fussiest of traditional settings.</p><p></p><p> This is why the only setting subclasses to survive are the ones you could drop just as easily into the Forgotten Realms, or Eberron or Greyhawk or Mystara or Birthright, (but not Darksun, like the Order Domain which even mentions other settings, or the Rot/Fungus Druid because every setting has rot and fungus and zombies, and the Oath of Glory because ever setting has heroes of some sort, or the College of Elequence Bard because that fits alot of roles from statesment to lawyer to comedian, to philosopher, ect... meaning it fits into every setting.</p><p></p><p> But all the onces that fit amazingly into a particular setting, and evoked what was truely was unique about the setting got axed, because without context no one knew what to do with them, the ones that made it could be dropped into amy setting just ss easily. Again Simic Hybrid only made it because we had the context for the strangest D&D race I've ever seen, no that only fits Ravnica and tge weirdest homebrew settings maybe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gyor, post: 7974244, member: 6670153"] No they want opinions on a particular opinion for a particular book, to give an honest opinion you need context. Example when I saw the Wild Soul Barbarian I was not impressed because I picturing what seemed like a Disnified Barbarian in a setting like FR or Eberron and alot of other settings were it doesn't fit. But now that I have the context and familiarized myself with the setting I know exactly what they were trying for, a Satyr of Skola Valley (likely the stand in for the Feywild of the setting), whose spent their life in Revellery, Orgies, and Baccanilias, often violent ones, fueled by passions like lust, gluttony, and RAGE. It was beautiful, and would have been an amazing subclass to play, my top pick, if I had any idea what they were working for. And I couldn't give them feedback on how to improve the subclass, because I had no idea what they were trying to invoke, I didn't know it was supposed to be akin to a reveller in the Cult of Dionysus, or one of his Maenads, or Theros' equiviliant. I can help them if they aren't straight up with me and neither can you. Context is Kings. Its frustrating because now this book doesn't have what would have been the coolest subclass in the entirely book, because no one knew what it was for. Alot of what goes into the popularity of a class isn't just the mechanics, its the flavour. To compare by the time we got Simic Hybrid and Vendlken UA, we knew what these were for Ravnica and we could judge them by that standard. No way Simic Hybrid would have survived if it haf just been Hybrid and no context, because it would never fit in most home brewed D&D setting or any traditional D&D settings not even FR or Eberron. But it fit Ravnica like a glove. And so it passed, but contextless Izzet wizard didn't because when its UA happen we had no idea what it was for, or how it fit in, or how to improve it, because were lied to and told it was a lore wizard! Something that you'd expect to be able to slot into any setting, even Darksun, the fussiest of traditional settings. This is why the only setting subclasses to survive are the ones you could drop just as easily into the Forgotten Realms, or Eberron or Greyhawk or Mystara or Birthright, (but not Darksun, like the Order Domain which even mentions other settings, or the Rot/Fungus Druid because every setting has rot and fungus and zombies, and the Oath of Glory because ever setting has heroes of some sort, or the College of Elequence Bard because that fits alot of roles from statesment to lawyer to comedian, to philosopher, ect... meaning it fits into every setting. But all the onces that fit amazingly into a particular setting, and evoked what was truely was unique about the setting got axed, because without context no one knew what to do with them, the ones that made it could be dropped into amy setting just ss easily. Again Simic Hybrid only made it because we had the context for the strangest D&D race I've ever seen, no that only fits Ravnica and tge weirdest homebrew settings maybe. [/QUOTE]
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