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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9585056" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Seems pretty accurate to me. Kinda surprised to see Moon Druid as C-tier, but I suppose this is for 5.5e where Moon isn't quite as strong as it used to be.I mean, spellcasting is better. Objectively so. The more spellcasting you have, the better the class is, almost universally. Paladin is probably the one exception; notice how it is the only non-full-caster to be counted among the upper half. Notice how EK is the only B tier Fighter subclass, and AT is the only C-tier Rogue subclass.In military contexts, there's an important lesson. It's known that, in general, quality is better than quantity. But there's a saying, "Quantity has a quality all its own", meaning that if you bring enough quantity, utterly ludicrous Pyrric-victory levels of quantity, then that may in fact make up for a difference in quality sometimes. Not always, but sometimes: quantity still isn't as good as quality in general, but there is a tipping point where quantity outweighs quality.There's a similar thing going on here. Versatility IS what makes something strong. Pure DPR potential is inferior to having more tools for dealing with more problems. And spellcasting is THE most versatile toolkit any character can have, period, end of discussion. Nothing can approach the versatility of spellcasting. That said, if you bring just a sheer ungodly amount of DPR, absolutely stupid levels of it, then that can be a "quantity has a quality all its own" element, just because a lot of the problems PCs face can be solved with judicious application of violence.That doesn't mean that versatility has suddenly been trumped by DPR. It hasn't. Versatility is still king. But sheer stupidly-high amounts of DPR can bump a class up (hence why Fighter is just generically better than Rogue in this tier list.)I don't necessarily agree with all of the conclusions that went into making this list. But the loose overall shape of it? It's more right than wrong.</blockquote>

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