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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9597505" data-attributes="member: 6790260">The problem with this answer, naturally, is that the people who want everyone to forget 4e ever existed are the ones who won the Edition War, the ones who demanded an apology and got one, and (at least in my not-so-humble opinion) led the creation of 5e. (Yes, I'm saying it: I think Mike Mearls is or at least was an edition warrior, and that he and I were not on the same side.)Hence why I make the joke &quot;The Edition That Must Not Be Named.&quot; Those &quot;purely 'martial' classes that managed to be mundane, powerful and effective through [the whole level range]&quot; were what the edition warriors smeared as &quot;all classes are casters now&quot;, as &quot;Fighters shooting lightning bolts from their arses&quot;, as &quot;shouting limbs back on&quot; (an edition war claim that Mike Mearls himself &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;jokingly&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; repeated...but still meant it as the reason why the Warlord didn't deserve to exist as a class), and more.And then we got 5e. Which made nearly every class a literal actual spellcaster, something people do actually complain about every now and then...and yet they do not do so anywhere near as much as the edition that never actually did that.Yes, I'm more than a little bitter at the double standard that forgives 5e for actually doing the things 4e was merely accused of but didn't actually do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9597505, member: 6790260"] The problem with this answer, naturally, is that the people who want everyone to forget 4e ever existed are the ones who won the Edition War, the ones who demanded an apology and got one, and (at least in my not-so-humble opinion) [I]led[/I] the creation of 5e. (Yes, I'm saying it: I think Mike Mearls is or at least [I]was[/I] an edition warrior, and that he and I were [I]not[/I] on the same side.) Hence why I make the joke "The Edition That Must Not Be Named." Those "purely 'martial' classes that managed to be mundane, powerful and effective through [the whole level range]" were what the edition warriors smeared as "all classes are casters now", as "Fighters shooting lightning bolts from their arses", as "shouting limbs back on" (an edition war claim that Mike Mearls himself """"jokingly"""" repeated...but still [I]meant[/I] it as the reason why the Warlord didn't deserve to exist as a class), and more. And then we got 5e. Which made nearly every class a literal actual spellcaster, something people do actually complain about every now and then...and yet they do not do so anywhere near as much as the edition that [I]never actually did that[/I]. Yes, I'm more than a little bitter at the double standard that forgives 5e for actually doing the things 4e was merely accused of but didn't actually do. [/QUOTE]

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