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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AlViking" data-source="post: 9645615" data-attributes="member: 6906980">I'm not sure it's really "kid's nowadays" or even a new phenomena. I think it's always been pretty group dependent even going back to AD&D or before.  I still run encounters now and then where the players know they can't win and have to look for alternative but it's not going to be "get X to defeat Y" it's more how to sneak around, avoid, distract, run away to get reinforcements, something other than defeating the enemy using the direct approach where you can win because you managed to obtain the whisk broom of infinite sweeping to take on the legendary dust elemental.We all have different approaches and preferences of course.  But if I did have a gargantuan dragon turtle that could only be defeated by the spatula of flipping, I'm going to have an NPC or tome explicitly tell them.  They may see the turtle taking out a well fortified fort first but I will probably also just flat out tell them that they're overmatched and that they have little or no chance of winning in a direct attack.  Then, if they decide this is something they need to deal with there will be options to find what is needed.  Similar to how I thought wererats made sense as antagonists for lowish level characters a while back so I ensured they had silver weapons.  I'm just glad I don't have to do that from now on unless I want it to be a truly special standout threat.</blockquote>