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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9212728" data-attributes="member: 63508">4e had it right. The math was off as usual because D&D fans back then were addicted to +1s and loot.5e had a different numbers and formula. It's math was better.Base 5e states that it expects once divided up a level 20 PC has 4.5 permanent magic items. Of which you only got 1 very rare and 1 legendary. So that's only 1 +3 item. 2 if you traded your legendary with an ally's very rare. And that's only for weapons. Armor is a rarity higher.Tier 1 there is no magic items expectation barring potions and scrolls.Tier 2 you get uncommons like +1 weapons, and +0 armor Tier 3 you get rares like +2 weapons and +1 armorTier 4 you get very rares and above.+3 weapons and +2 armor.Capes and cloaks would run on the weapon track. Tier -1 to all saves, Tier -2 to all saves and AC, or Tier +1 to one save.At level 19 you get access to legendaries +3 armor.Not not every item would be a +x item. But that's when you'd be expected to get them in base D&D. And that's when monsters would have them.No magic tables would just get masterwork (+1), greatmasterwork (+2), and grandmasterwork (+3) items that required to magic to craft. WOTC just plays toooo much into the "You need magic to make special items".NO! Dwarves and Elves and master smiths can make generic +X items in base D&D. The whole idea that you can't make plus X weapons and armor without casting magic weapon on it seems to me as extreme fringe idea few hold.</blockquote>

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