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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9214876" data-attributes="member: 63508">The mistake is that many conflate the Magic Items Treadmill with Magic Items Importance.WOTC removed the need for magic items from the Attack roll and the Damage roll.But they never addressed how the previous editions put the importance of magic items on Movement Speed, Movement types, Saving Throws, Attack Variety, Sensory Enhancement, and eventual Condition Immunity and Planar TravelThe 0e-4e martial was simple because the game was designed around them having magic items that matched the DMs game.The game was designed if the DM ran the whole MM, they ran all the magic items. If the DM cut out some magic items, they had to cut out some monsters from use or modify them heavily.That's the issue. You cannot design D&D for high magic, normal magic, low magic, and no magic simultaneously. Each base magic style has different assumptions on PCs, NPCs, Monsters, Technology and Items. D&D can only choose 1 of the 4 and have optional rules to go up or down5e is not designed for low magic or no magic games. Their are only 3 purely nonmagical classes and made them too simple and narrow for low/no magic play.Remember the 1e fighter lacked skills. It was proficient in everything. And even there it was magic reliant.</blockquote>